How does the intersection form change when changing coefficient rings?

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The discussion centers on the effects of changing coefficient rings on the intersection form in homology, particularly when transitioning from the integers to mod-2 coefficients. Participants explore the implications of this change in terms of the intersection numbers of homology classes in a 2n-manifold.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the intersection form is well-defined in homology and questions how its value changes when the coefficient ring R transitions from torsion-free (like the integers) to one that includes torsion.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of mod-2 intersection, suggesting that it measures only the parity of intersections, referencing specific literature for further exploration.
  • A participant clarifies that the question involves evaluating the intersection of classes in H_1(M,Z) and then transitioning to H_1(M,Z/2), asking if the intersection number remains the same under this change.
  • One response asserts that an integer cannot equal an integer mod 2, implying that the mod-2 intersection number is equivalent to the integral intersection number mod 2, but does not provide a definitive answer to the original question.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for specificity regarding the definitions of the intersection product on different parts of homology, suggesting that the answer may vary based on these definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the intersection numbers under different coefficient rings, with some asserting equivalences and others pointing out the need for careful definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these changes.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of the intersection product and the specific parts of homology being referenced, which may affect the conclusions drawn.

Bacle
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Hi, All:

The intersection form ( , ): H_n(M,R)xH_n(M,R)-->Z ; Z the integers and R any coefficient ring, in a 2n-manifold is well-defined in homology, i.e.,

if (x,y)= c , and x~x' and y~y' , then (x',y')=c

Still, how is the value of the intersection form affected by changes in the coefficient ring R? Specifically: what if R went from being torsion-free, like, say, the integers, to having torsion. What would be the difference?

What makes me think that there actually is a difference is that the symplectic groups
Sp^2(2g,Z) and Sp(2g,Z) , which are respectively:

i) Sp^2(2g,Z): The automorphisms of H_1(Sg,Z/2) that preserve intersection, and

ii) H_1(Sg,Z) : automorphisms of H_1(Sg,Z) that preserve intersection

are different groups (actually, I think i) is a subgroup of ii )

Any ideas?
 
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well there is a theory of mod 2 intersection. obviously it is different since it measures only the parity of the number of intersections.
see milnor's topology from the differentiable viewpoint, or guillemin pollack's differential topology.
what does your question mean?
 
I mean that we go from homology over Z-integers to homology over Z/2 by doing mod-2 reduction, using universal coeff. theorem, etc.

So, say we evaluate the intersection of 2 (transversely-intersecting) classes a,b in H_1(M,Z). We then do a change of coefficients to Z/2 , and so under this change of coefficients, a is sent to a' , b is sent to b'. Is the intersection number (a,b) the same as the intersection number (a',b')?
 
obviously an integer cannot equal an integer mod 2, so i suppose you mean does the mod 2 intersection number equal the integral intersection number mod 2? of course the answer is yes. did you consult any of the references i gave?
 
Bacle said:
I mean that we go from homology over Z-integers to homology over Z/2 by doing mod-2 reduction, using universal coeff. theorem, etc.

So, say we evaluate the intersection of 2 (transversely-intersecting) classes a,b in H_1(M,Z). We then do a change of coefficients to Z/2 , and so under this change of coefficients, a is sent to a' , b is sent to b'. Is the intersection number (a,b) the same as the intersection number (a',b')?
You have to be more specific. You're asking if some square is a commutative diagram, but I only know what two of the vertices are. Are you defining the intersection product on H_n(M;Z) or the free part of that? Are you defining the mod 2 intersection pairing on the image of the free part of H_n(M;Z), or on the whole thing?

If you define the intersection pairing on the free part of H_n(M;Z) and you define the mod 2 pairing on the image of that mod 2, then the answer is yes, basically by definition. But if you define it on the whole thing, I believe the answer is no in general.
 

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