How does the kinematic energy appear in the work integral?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic energy and work in the context of physics, specifically focusing on the work integral and its connection to kinetic energy expressed as Ec=1/2 mv^2. Participants are exploring why kinetic energy appears in the work integral and how this relationship is mathematically represented.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the derivation of the work integral and its connection to kinetic energy. Some express confusion about the mathematical steps involved in relating force, momentum, and kinetic energy. Others question the validity of the integrals presented and seek clarification on the underlying concepts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at deriving the relationship between work and kinetic energy. Some have offered alternative perspectives on the mathematical representation of the work done, while others are still grappling with the concepts and seeking further clarification.

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There appears to be a lack of consensus on the mathematical validity of the integrals discussed, and some participants are expressing uncertainty about the definitions and assumptions related to the work-energy theorem.

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Homework Statement



We call Kinetic energy Ec=1/2 mv^2

its deferral into the work integral gives:

\begin{align*}
w_{12}&=\int\limits_1^2\delta W\\
& = \int\limits_1^2 \vec F \wedge d\vec r\\
&\underbrace{=\int\limits_1^2dE_c}_{why?}
\end{align*}

But Why does the kinematic energy appears in the last equation?

Homework Equations



According to Newton's second law,

$$\vec{F}=\frac{d\vec{P}}{dt}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



Multiplicating it by $$d\vec{r}$$

\begin{align*}
\vec F \wedge d\vec r &= \frac{d\vec P}{dt} \wedge d\vec r\\
&= d\vec P \wedge \frac{d\vec r}{dt}\\
&= d\vec P \wedge \vec v\\
&= d(m\vec v) \wedge \vec v\\
\end{align*}I'm so sorry but I don't know from there..!
 
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AntoineCompagnie said:
But Why does the kinematic energy appears in the last equation?
Work done on the body results in change in it's kinetic energy.
 
AntoineCompagnie said:

Homework Statement



We call Kinetic energy Ec=1/2 mv^2

its deferral into the work integral gives:

\begin{align*}
w_{12}&=\int\limits_1^2\delta W\\
& = \int\limits_1^2 \vec F \wedge d\vec r\\
&\underbrace{=\int\limits_1^2dE_c}_{why?}
\end{align*}

But Why does the kinematic energy appears in the last equation?

Homework Equations



According to Newton's second law,

$$\vec{F}=\frac{d\vec{P}}{dt}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



Multiplicating it by $$d\vec{r}$$

\begin{align*}
\vec F \wedge d\vec r &= \frac{d\vec P}{dt} \wedge d\vec r\\
&= d\vec P \wedge \frac{d\vec r}{dt}\\
&= d\vec P \wedge \vec v\\
&= d(m\vec v) \wedge \vec v\\
\end{align*}I'm so sorry but I don't know from there..!

If it's any consolation, none of those integrals makes mathematical sense to me. Instead:

##\vec{F}.d\vec{r} = m\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}.\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}dt = m\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}.\vec{v}dt = \frac{1}{2}m\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{v}.\vec{v})dt##

And, then if you do your line integral with ##t## as your parameter it comes out.
 
##\int_C \vec{F}.d\vec{r} = \int_{t_1}^{t_2}\frac{1}{2}m \frac{d}{dt}(v^2)dt##

That's the mathematical format that I'm used to and makes sense to me. A line integral depends on the curve C not just its end- points.
 

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