How does the magnetic component of an EM wave affect surroundings?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of the magnetic component of electromagnetic (EM) waves on conductors and surrounding objects. Participants explore the interaction of light and radio/microwave frequencies with conductive materials, touching on concepts such as the photoelectric effect and the differences in behavior between various types of EM waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why conductors do not appear to be affected when light is shone on them, suggesting that the magnetic component might cause a force.
  • Others inquire about the effects of shining radio or microwaves on conductors and the differences between these and light waves.
  • A participant mentions the photoelectric effect, noting that shining light on a conductor can cause electrons to be emitted from the material.
  • Some participants express that conductors must be affected by light if light interacts with them, raising questions about the transmission of light through different materials, such as paper versus aluminum foil.
  • There is a suggestion that the view of electromagnetic radiation may be overly simplistic and a link to additional resources is provided for further exploration.
  • One participant states that light has momentum, which can be measured, implying that there may be a force associated with light, but the magnitude of this force is questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which conductors are affected by light and the role of the magnetic component of EM waves. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various effects and phenomena related to EM waves, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the interactions and the conditions under which these effects occur. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the nature of the forces involved.

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Would the magnetic wave of an EM wave create a force on objects near the shone light?
Hi all, as we all know EM waves are made up of magnetic and electric waves in a plane perpendicular to the direction of propagation. Given this, why don't I see conductors being affected when I shine light at them? Woulnt the magnetism cause a force? Is is that the force is too small? What am i not understanding.
 
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Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Given this, why don't I see conductors being affected when I shine light at them?
What happens if you shine radio or micro waves at a conductor? What's the difference between radio and light waves?
 
Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Hi all, as we all know EM waves are made up of magnetic and electric waves ##~\dots##
Please count me out. What I think I know is that EM waves are made up of magnetic and electric fields. :oldsmile:
 
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Ibix said:
What happens if you shine radio or micro waves at a conductor? What's the difference between radio and light waves?
Err when you asked me this I thought about the fact (i forgot the name) that if you shine light to a conductor then some of the electrons of the material will be sent flying out of the material. Oh, the photoelectric effect. Difference between radio and micro waves are many: energy, frequency, wavelength.
 
Why do you say that conductors are not affected when you shine light at them? If light is affected by a conductor then the conductor must be affected by light. Have you wondered why a sheet of paper transmits light but not a sheet of aluminum foil?
 
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kuruman said:
Why do you say that conductors are not affected when you shine light at them? If light is affected by a conductor then the conductor must be affected by light. Have you wondered why a sheet of paper transmits light but not a sheet of aluminum foil?
Now that I was reminded of the photoelectric effect then I know conductors are affected by light. Thank you for the thought producing questions, they helped me remember things and make new neurological connections!
 
Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Err when you asked me this I thought about the fact (i forgot the name) that if you shine light to a conductor then some of the electrons of the material will be sent flying out of the material. Oh, the photoelectric effect. Difference between radio and micro waves are many: energy, frequency, wavelength.
I was actually thinking of a radio antenna, where an EM wave clearly makes electrons oscillate. Higher frequency EM does that too, but the effects aren't the same because the wave is higher frequency - see, for example, kuruman's post.
 
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Boltzmann Oscillation said:
Summary:: Would the magnetic wave of an EM wave create a force on objects near the shone light?

Is is that the force is too small?
Probably. Light has momentum which can be measured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichols_radiometer
 
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