How does the propagation of light work? How much time does it take?

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The discussion centers around the nature of light propagation, specifically the behavior of photons, their multiplication, and the time it takes for light to expand. Participants explore concepts related to the dual nature of light as both a particle and a wave, as well as the implications of these ideas in experimental contexts.

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  • Some participants propose that a photon has a timing for expansion and may multiply into many photons, suggesting a model of light propagation that involves multiple photons emanating from a single source.
  • Others argue against the idea of photon multiplication, stating that photons do not expand or multiply and that light sources emit many photons over time.
  • A participant mentions the utility of dimming light sources to emit single photons, particularly in the context of two-slit experiments.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of understanding photons, with one participant suggesting that a classical understanding of light should precede learning about photons.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the operation of photomultiplier tubes (PMTs) and their role in detecting single photon events.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of photons and their behavior. There is no consensus on the idea of photon multiplication or the timing of light propagation.

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Some statements rely on assumptions about the nature of photons and light that are not universally accepted. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of quantum mechanics and electromagnetic theory.

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I'm quite aware that according to Einstein light is a particle and a wave at the same time.

However, I try to imagine how exactly would light expand. A photon must likely have a certain timing for expansion. I mean, after a photon is originated it immedialy multiplies itself into many other photons, all of them moving in all directions so that a single photon can be seen from all directions.

Ok, now the question is: how much time does it take for a photon to multiply from a single one to many photons? And how many photons are originated?
 
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lordoftheselands said:
A photon must likely have a certain timing for expansion. I mean, after a photon is originated it immedialy multiplies itself into many other photons, all of them moving in all directions so that a single photon can be seen from all directions.
No. Photons do not expand or multiply.

The light source emits many photons over time.
It is possible to dim some light sources so much that they effectively emit only a single photon at a time. This is useful for 2-slit experiments.
 
lordoftheselands said:
I'm quite aware that according to Einstein light is a particle and a wave at the same time.

However, I try to imagine how exactly would light expand. A photon must likely have a certain timing for expansion. I mean, after a photon is originated it immedialy multiplies itself into many other photons, all of them moving in all directions so that a single photon can be seen from all directions.

Ok, now the question is: how much time does it take for a photon to multiply from a single one to many photons? And how many photons are originated?
Welcome to PF.

Can you post links to the reading you have been doing to understand EM and photons, etc.?

Also, are you familiar with how PMTs work, and how they can detect single photon events?
 
lordoftheselands said:
I'm quite aware that according to Einstein light is a particle and a wave at the same time.
You mean that photons are the quanta of the electromagnetic field?
lordoftheselands said:
A photon must likely have a certain timing for expansion.
It doesn't.
lordoftheselands said:
I mean, after a photon is originated it immedialy multiplies itself into many other photons
It doesn't.
lordoftheselands said:
, all of them moving in all directions so that a single photon can be seen from all directions.
It doesn't work like this.
lordoftheselands said:
Ok, now the question is: how much time does it take for a photon to multiply from a single one to many photons?
If a single photon is generated, then typically it remains a single photon.
 
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One should abandon the idea of photons in physics learning (and teaching!) as long as the students do not have a clear understanding of the classical picture. Photons are among the most complicated concepts of modern physics and can only be properly understood in terms of relativistic quantum field theory. Einstein's heuristic concept of photons as localized massless point particles of 1905 is seriously flawed, and Einstein himself never has been satisfied with any conception of em. radiation during his lifetime. Famously he also was very skeptical against modern quantum mechanics, including relativistic QFT, which in 1955 however was much less understood than it is today, and even today it's not a complete mathematically well-defined theory.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It is possible to dim some light sources so much that they effectively emit only a single photon at a time. This is useful for 2-slit experiments.
Even a dim light source might emit two or more photons at the same time.
 
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Also, are you familiar with how PMTs work ...
For clarification, I believe @berkeman is referring to the photomultiplier tube, not pre-menstrual tension.
 
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