How Does the Quotient Rule Apply to Derivatives of Cotangent Functions?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the quotient rule to find the derivative of the cotangent function, specifically d/dx (cot(x)). Participants are examining the steps involved in the differentiation process and the simplification of the resulting expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to differentiate cot(x) using the quotient rule and express their results. There are questions about the correctness of simplifications and the handling of parentheses in the expressions. Some participants suggest revisiting earlier steps to clarify the derivation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning each other's reasoning and clarifying steps in the differentiation process. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several participants are providing guidance on how to approach the simplification of the derivative.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential issues with missing parentheses and the implications of these omissions on the final expressions. The discussion also touches on the identity sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 1 as a potential simplification tool.

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Homework Statement




Use quotient rule

Homework Equations



d/dx (cot(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


d/dx (cot(x))
= cos(x)/sin(x)
= (sin(x))(-sin(x)) - (cos(x))(cos(x)) / (sin(x))^2
= -(sin(x))^2 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2
= -1 - (cos(x))^2


Does the last step equal 1 + (cos(x))^2 and how come that turns into negative -(csc(x))^2
 
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Torshi said:

Homework Statement




Use quotient rule

Homework Equations



d/dx (cot(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


d/dx (cot(x))
= cos(x)/sin(x)
= (sin(x))(-sin(x)) - (cos(x))(cos(x)) / (sin(x))^2
= -(sin(x))^2 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2
= -1 - (cos(x))^2


Does the last step equal 1 + (cos(x))^2 and how come that turns into negative -(csc(x))^2
I think you dropped some parentheses and this led you to a wrong answer. That first step should be:
$$ \frac{d}{dx} \cot(x) = \frac{\sin(x)(-\sin(x)) - \cos(x)\cos(x)}{\sin^2(x)}$$
Now simplify the numerator and see what you end up with.
 
jbunniii said:
I think you dropped some parentheses and this led you to a wrong answer. That first step should be:
$$ \frac{d}{dx} \cot(x) = \frac{\sin(x)(-\sin(x)) - \cos(x)\cos(x)}{\sin^2(x)}$$
Now simplify the numerator and see what you end up with.

= (-1)-(cos(x))^2
 
Torshi said:
= (-1)-(cos(x))^2
Shouldn't the second term be divided by ##\sin^2(x)##?
 
jbunniii said:
Shouldn't the second term be divided by ##\sin^2(x)##?

Hold on
-1 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2 = -1/(sin(x))^2 = -(csc(x))^2

but...

-(sin(x))^2 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2 = 1/(sin(x))^2 = -(csc(x))^2
 
Torshi said:
Hold on
-1 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2 = -1/(sin(x))^2 = -(csc(x))^2
How did you get that?
but...

-(sin(x))^2 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2 = 1/(sin(x))^2 = -(csc(x))^2
I think there are some parentheses missing again. The expression on the left should be
$$\frac{-\sin^2(x) - \cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}$$
Now you can use the identity ##\sin^2(x) + \cos^2(x) = 1## in the numerator.
 
jbunniii said:
How did you get that?

I think there are some parentheses missing again. The expression on the left should be
$$\frac{-\sin^2(x) - \cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}$$
Now you can use the identity ##\sin^2(x) + \cos^2(x) = 1## in the numerator.
My main question is do both of the following equations equal -(csc(x))^2

1/(sin(x))^2 and -1/(sin(x))^2

or which one of those two define -(csc(x))^2 ?
 
Since, by definition, csc(x)= 1/sin(x), it follows that sin(x)= 1/csc(x) and then that sin^2(x)= 1/csc^2(x).

If you want "-" on the right, you will have have a "-" on the right.
 
Torshi said:

Homework Statement




Use quotient rule

Homework Equations



d/dx (cot(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


d/dx (cot(x))
= cos(x)/sin(x)
You haven't actually taken the derivative yet, so the above should be:
=d/dx([/color]cos(x)/sin(x))[/color]

Others have already commented about the missing parentheses and the incorrect parts.

Torshi said:
= (sin(x))(-sin(x)) - (cos(x))(cos(x)) / (sin(x))^2
= -(sin(x))^2 - (cos(x))^2 / (sin(x))^2
= -1 - (cos(x))^2


Does the last step equal 1 + (cos(x))^2 and how come that turns into negative -(csc(x))^2
 

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