How Does Time Dependence Affect Quantum Operators?

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The discussion revolves around the time dependence of quantum operators, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian operator for a particle with mass and a potential energy term. The original poster attempts to demonstrate a relationship involving acceleration, velocity, and potential energy operators in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between time-dependent operators and their commutation relations, questioning the validity of certain equations and their implications. There is an emphasis on understanding the Heisenberg picture and the equations of motion for operators.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications on the correct use of equations and suggest ways to manipulate the operators involved. There is a productive exchange regarding the implications of operator commutation, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their understanding while others confirm the correctness of the reasoning presented.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by time-dependent operators and the potential confusion arising from mixing different relations in quantum mechanics. The original poster also mentions language barriers, which may affect their expression of ideas.

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Homework Statement


Let
[tex]H= \frac{1}{2}m(V_x^2+V_y^2+V_z^2)+u(\vec{Q})[/tex]
be the hamiltonian operator for a particle which has mass m>0 with
[tex]u(\vec{Q})=\lambda_0 (Q_x^2+ Q_y^2)[/tex].
Knowing that
[tex][Q_\alpha, m V_\beta]=i \delta_{\alpha \beta}[/tex].
Show that If
[tex]\displaystyle A_\alpha= \frac{d V_\alpha^{(t)}}{d t}[/tex]
then
[tex]\displaystyle mA_\alpha = -\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{\partial x_\alpha}[/tex]

Homework Equations


Note that
Q is position operator, V is velocity operator, A is acceleration operator
[tex][A_1, A_2]= A_1 A_2-A_2 A_1[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



The problem is equivalent to show that [tex]A_\alpha= -\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m\partial x_\alpha}[/tex], but it is difficult to me, because of time dependent operator [tex]V_{\alpha}^{(t)}[/tex].
I think that the relation [tex]V_{\alpha}^{(t)}= i U_{t}^{-1}[H, V_{\alpha}]U_t[/tex] is useful. Now
[tex][H, V_\alpha]= [u(\vec{Q}), V_\alpha]= [\lambda_0 (Q_x^2+ Q_y^2), V_\alpha]=\frac{\lambda_0}{m}(2 i (\delta_{\alpha, x}Q_x+ \delta_{\alpha, y}Q_y))= i \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m x_{\alpha}}[/tex]

So
[tex]V_\alpha^{(t)}=i U_t^{-1}[H, V_\alpha]U_t = - U_t^{-1} \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m x_\alpha}U_t[/tex].
Now I'm stuck. Any helps will be appreciated. Thank you.

Sorry for mistakes in english language. I'm italian :)
 
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Mathitalian said:
I think that the relation [tex]V_{\alpha}^{(t)}= i U_{t}^{-1}[H, V_{\alpha}]U_t[/tex] is useful.

This is not correct. I think you are mixing together two different relations. One is the time dependence of an operator in the Heisenberg picture:

[tex]V_a(t)=U^{-1}V_aU[/tex]

where U is the time translation operator.

The other relation is the Heisenberg Equation of Motion for operators in the Heisenberg picture:

[tex]\frac{dV_a(t)}{dt}=\frac{1}{i\hbar}[H,V_a(t)][/tex]

from which we can find an "expectation value equation of motion:"

[tex]\frac{d<V_a(t)>}{dt}=\frac{1}{i\hbar}<[H,V_a(t)]>[/tex]

You are essentially being asked to show that the quantum expectation values obey equations similar in form to their classical variable counterparts.

You should be able to get to the result directly if you start from the third equation in this post.
 
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Oh, I'm so sorry for this terrible mistake. You're right. To tell the truth, when I posted the question, it was night in Italy.

My intent was to use
[tex] \frac{dV_\alpha^{(t)}}{d t}=i U_t^{-1}[H, V_\alpha]U_t = - U_t^{-1} \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m\partial x_\alpha}U_t[/tex]

Now, from
[tex]i U_t^{-1}[H, V_\alpha]U_t = - U_t^{-1} \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m \partial x_\alpha}U_t[/tex]

How can i complete the proof? Thank you for your help.
 
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Bring the U operators inside the derivative (they do not depend on x). Then remember that the Hamiltonian, and thus the potential energy operator, is time independent.
 
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G01 said:
Bring the U operators inside the derivative (they do not depend on x). Then remember that the Hamiltonian, and thus the potential energy operator, is time independent.

I'm not so good in physics, so forgive me if I'm going to say something stupid..

From your word, can i conclude that
[tex]\displaystyle\left[U_t, \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m \partial x_\alpha}\right]=O[/tex]
i.e. the operators commute?
 
Yes. And what does that then imply?
 
[tex]\displaystyle\left[U_t, \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m \partial x_\alpha}\right]=O\implies U_t\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m \partial x_\alpha}=\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m \partial x_\alpha} U_t[/tex]
then
[tex]- U_t^{-1} \frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m\partial x_\alpha}U_t = - U_t^{-1} U_t\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m\partial x_\alpha}= -\frac{\partial u(\vec{Q})}{m\partial x_\alpha}[/tex]
as we want.

I think it is ok now, right?

Thanks a ton
 
Yes, you got it. You're welcome. :smile:
 

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