How Does Water Level Change Over Time in a Draining Cylindrical Tank?

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The problem involves a cylindrical tank with a circular cross-section, where water is draining from a valve at the bottom. The rate of water leaving the tank is proportional to the height of the water at any given time. Participants are tasked with deriving an expression for the water head over time and determining the time taken for the tank to lose half of its water and to empty completely.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the rate of water leaving the tank and the height of the water, questioning the meaning of terms like "discharge coefficient." There are attempts to derive equations related to the height of the water over time, with some participants expressing confusion about the implications of their findings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have made progress in formulating equations, while others are seeking clarification on specific terms and concepts. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between height and the rate of change.

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Participants note the absence of numerical values, which complicates the determination of specific timeframes for the tank to lose half its water or to empty completely. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and the definitions involved.

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Homework Statement


A tank is in a shape of a cylinder with a circular cross-section of area A. Initially the depth of water in the tank (the head) is h0. At time t = 0 water is allowed to leave the tank ffrom a valve at the bottom. The rate at which the water leaves the tank is proportional to the head of the water at that instant; the constant of proportionality, k, is related to the discharge coefficient or the tank.

Derive an expression for the head of water in the tank at any time t after it is allowed to empty.

How long does it take for the tank to lose 1/2 its water? How long does it take for the tank to empty.


Homework Equations


Code:
dy/dx = -ky

y = Ce^(-kt)


The Attempt at a Solution



dh/dt = -k(h - h0)

h(time) = (h - h0)e^(-kt)

ln ((h - h0) / h(time)) = kt

and this is where i get stuck :confused: that's even if I've got the first bit right?

any help would be great!

:)
 
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Read the question carefully, it says that the rate at which water leaves the tank is proportional to the height of the water at the the time.
 
ok so:

the rate at which water leaves the tank = -kh

i'm a little confused about the "discharge coefficient"
 
uniidiot said:
ok so:

the rate at which water leaves the tank = -kh

So what does "the rate at which water leaves the tank" actually mean?


i'm a little confused about the "discharge coefficient"
Just a bunch of fancy words to make the problem look interesting. :wink: If the complete problem reads as you have stated it here, then there's nothing to be confused about.
 
So what does "the rate at which water leaves the tank" actually mean?

the speed at which the height of the water decreases

well the diffrence of the height from the initial value is h - h0

so the rate of change is

dh / dt = (h - h0) / (t - t0)

?
 
Ok i think i might have cracked the 1st bit now,

dh/dt = -kh

h = Ce^-kt

ln h = -kt + A
but i don't understand how to work out how long it will take to empty 1/2 of the water, there are no figures to work with?thanks for your help so far neutrino.
 
uniidiot said:
the speed at which the height of the water decreases
Not exactly. The answer is in the title of this thread!

well the diffrence of the height from the initial value is h - h0

so the rate of change is

dh / dt = (h - h0) / (t - t0)

?

At any instant the rate at which the volume decreases is proportional to the height of the water at that instant. That would give you,

[tex]\frac{dV}{dt} = -kh[/tex]
 

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