How Far Does the Ball Land from the Pole?

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The problem involves a scenario where a boy drops a ball from a spinning chair, and the objective is to determine the distance of the ball from a pole when it hits the ground. The context includes parameters such as the mass of the chair, the boy's mass, the radial velocity of the chair, and the height from which the ball is dropped.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the initial velocity of the ball and its implications on the final distance from the pole. There are questions about the correctness of the initial velocity value and its derivation, as well as the interpretation of the distance from the pole during the chair's motion.

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Some participants are seeking clarification on the calculations presented, particularly regarding the initial velocity. There appears to be a recognition that different interpretations of the equations could lead to varying results, and some guidance has been offered regarding the use of different formulas for velocity.

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There is mention of a discrepancy between the calculated distance from the pole and a reference answer from a book, prompting further examination of the assumptions and calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


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l=2m
b=1.5m
The mass of the chair is 5kg.
A boy with a mass of 50kg sits on the chair.
The distance of the chair from the pole is 3m, and it spins around it horizontally with a radial velocity of 1.95 rad/s.
The boy drops a ball at some moment, what would be its distance from the pole when it hits the ground if the distance of the chair from the ground when it doesn't spin is 0.5m?

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The Attempt at a Solution


First I drew this:
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ω2r=v2/r
v=5.85m/s (The velocity of the ball when the boy drops it, all of it horizontal.
Then -1.177=-5t2 (The times it will take the ball to hit the ground).
t=0.4851
Δx=vt=2.8378m
Total distance from the pole: √(3^2+2.8378^2)=4.13m
The answer in the book is 12.42m, I have no idea how they could possible reach to such a large distance.
 

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Can you show in detail how you got the initial velocity, 5.85 m/s? It doesn't match the numbers in your figure.
 
kuruman said:
Can you show in detail how you got the initial velocity, 5.85 m/s? It doesn't match the numbers in your figure.
It says that the TOTAL distance of the chair from the pole while it spins at this radial velocity is 3m. Therefore r=3m.
 
I see. OK, I cannot find anything wrong with your answer. One could get an answer close to the one in the book if one used ω2r for v instead of ωr.
 
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kuruman said:
I see. OK, I cannot find anything wrong with your answer. One could get an answer close to the one in the book if one used ω2r for v instead of ωr.
Alright, thank you!
 

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