How Hamilton's equations extremize the action

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This discussion focuses on the application of Hamilton's equations in the context of extremizing the action in Hamiltonian mechanics. The action is defined as S=\int{(\sum{p_j dq_j}-H(p_i,q_i)dt)}, and the conversation explores whether it is necessary to rewrite this action as S=\int{(\sum{p_j \frac{dq_j}{dt}}-H(p_i,q_i))dt} for clarity. The participants emphasize the importance of performing an independent variation of coordinates and momenta, ultimately leading to Hamilton's equations, which are essential for understanding the dynamics of systems in both classical and relativistic frameworks.

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A common exposition of Hamiltonian mechanics (e.g., Goldstein's Classical Mechanics) is to start with the action

S=\int{L dt }

then show that the Euler-Lagrange equations extremize the action, then define the hamiltonian in terms of the lagrangian, then translate the Euler-Lagrange equations into the equivalent Hamilton equations.

But what does it look like using the Hamiltonian from the beginning?

S=\int{(\sum{p_j dq_j}-H(p_i,q_i)dt)}

And do we have to rewrite it as

S=\int{(\sum{p_j \frac{dq_j}{dt}}-H(p_i,q_i))dt}

to accomplish it? I am eventually going to be relating it to some relativistic problems in which t becomes a coordinate.

Any info and/or link is appreciated.
 
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Just perform an independent variation of coordinates and momenta on the action as you have written it, with \delta q = 0 at the end points, and equate the first order change to zero. It will lead you to Hamilton's equations.
 
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