How hard is a Physics major at a top 35 Uni?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived difficulty of pursuing a physics major at a top 35 university, particularly in relation to the mathematical rigor and the nature of upper division courses. Participants explore the challenges of specific courses, the grading system, and the balance between interest in physics concepts and the reality of the curriculum.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the difficulty of upper division courses such as Modern Physics, Mathematical Physics, Dynamics, Thermal Stat, E&M, and QM, especially in comparison to their experience in chemistry and previous math courses.
  • Another participant asserts that a physics major is one of the hardest science degrees, emphasizing its mathematical intensity and the need for significant dedication.
  • There is a suggestion that upper level courses may not delve into philosophical issues, focusing instead on practical calculations and applications of concepts like relativity and quantum mechanics.
  • One participant warns that many physics topics, including quantum mechanics, can be mundane and may not align with the more fantastical concepts that initially attract students to the field.
  • Concerns are raised about the social sacrifices required to succeed in a physics program, indicating that the workload may be substantial.
  • Discussion includes the requirement of a three-semester physics sequence for majors, with one participant questioning the necessity of this sequence given their prior coursework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the physics curriculum, with some emphasizing the mathematical rigor and practical applications, while others highlight the initial allure of more abstract concepts. There is no consensus on the overall difficulty or appeal of the major.

Contextual Notes

Participants' experiences and expectations vary significantly, with some expressing a strong interest in the philosophical implications of physics, while others focus on the technical and mundane aspects of the coursework. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the relationship between interest in physics concepts and the realities of the curriculum.

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Hey folks, I am thinking about maybe trying to do a physics major. However, I don't want it to be too hard and lower my already low gpa. How hard is the math and courses like upper division Moldern Physics, Mathematical Physics,Dynamics,Thermal Stat, E&M and QM? Also how hard are the require math like, Lin Algebra, Differential Eqns,Analysis.I am currently a chemistry major and am taking PChem, which is pretty hard. Are those other classes much harder? I like math and am pretty good at it (was on specialize science high school math team and did very well on standardized tests) but ever since I took Calc II with some crazy grad student teaching have been somewhat afraid, as I got a C+ and couldn't understand anything he taught.(I used to get A+/As, 800 SAT I/II and 4/5 APs on all my math classes). However I took 1st year physics for my Chem major and although I didnt do very well (lack of studying), I found the material very interesting. Therefore, I would like to know how difficult a physics major is going to be. The way the grading works in my Physics department is based on a curve, median grade usually B-. I don't want to be in a class with 10-20 kids who are all smarter than me. Also, are the upper level courses as interesting as the freshman year course,or is it just a bunch of crazy technical stuff that is dry. The reason I find physics interesting is because of all the bizarre concepts such as relativity, time travel + implications with philosophy. Finally, I took 2 semesters of General Physics (that's what chem majors/pre meds take)but my school has a 3 semester sequence for physics majors. Is it required to take this sequence because I would not want to do this since I will have to graduate later, as I will already need to graduate in 5 years without having to take this sequence. My future plans are to probably go to grad, law or med school, although I am undecided.
 
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If anything, it's the freshman year courses that are boring and dry. However, a Physics major is one of the hardest science degrees to go after. It's very mathematically intensive and pretty damn non-trivial, but you actually feel like you're doing legitimate science and not just reading things from a book.

Be prepared to sacrifice your social life, however. Physics comes first.
 
Diagon said:
The reason I find physics interesting is because of all the bizarre concepts such as relativity, time travel + implications with philosophy.

Your upper level courses will probably not go into philosophical issues at all, or at best just touch on them lightly. You'll pretty much have to study those things on the side. The emphasis in class is on learning how to do (calculate) things with relativity, E&M, QM, etc. You'll need to be (or become) comfortable with vector calculus (Calc III at most U.S. schools) and differential equations.
 
Yes. You'll find a lot of physics, even quantum mechanics, is pretty mundane. It's amazing what you can do with it, but it's not the mystical subject people think it is. That's actually math. :)

So if you're going into physics just because you like those bizarre concepts, brace yourself for a surprise when you're in 1st year and calculating how far a ball will travel, 2nd year calculating the efficiency of an engine, 3rd year doing quantum mechanics, but learning about the energy levels of the hydrogen atom and its light spectrum, and 4th year learning about why metals conduct and insulators do not.

There's more to it, but none of it gets into this seemingly magical area of time travel or teleportation. Probably the most bizarre concepts you'll learn will come in a particle physics class. But, even that is fairly mundane by today's standards, since most of this stuff was known some 30 years ago.

So, in conclusion, if you love learning how things (devices, the universe, nature), then you'll love physics. If you don't, then you won't like it.
 

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