How is electrical current delivered into houses?

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The discussion revolves around how electrical current is delivered into houses, focusing on the mechanisms of potential difference, the movement of electrons, and the role of transformers and electromagnetic induction. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of electrical distribution.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the mechanisms behind potential difference and electron movement, questioning whether electrical fields or magnetic fields are used.
  • One participant explains that transformers create potential differences through induction, involving alternating current and changing magnetic fields.
  • Another participant suggests that finding answers to such questions may require library research rather than online searches, emphasizing the challenge of selecting appropriate resources.
  • Several participants note the difficulty of searching for information on power distribution, highlighting the need for personal research to determine the right level of understanding.
  • There is a suggestion that the OP may have a basic understanding of circuits, but the transition to mains electricity concepts may require further clarification.
  • One participant mentions that discussing electrons in the context of electricity may not be beneficial for electrical engineers, indicating a preference for more practical descriptions.
  • Another participant points out that resources may vary in relevance depending on the geographical context (e.g., US vs. Europe).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on how to approach the topic, with no consensus on the best methods for research or the clarity of explanations regarding potential difference and electrical current delivery. Multiple competing perspectives on the effectiveness of different resources and explanations remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the potential for confusion, particularly for those with elementary knowledge. There are references to the necessity of understanding basic concepts before tackling more advanced topics related to mains electricity.

physics user1
How is the potential difference done? How do they make electrons move? Do they use electrical field using positive (to atract them) or negative charges (to repel them)?

Do they use variables magnetic fields?
 
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What research have you done to answer your own question?
 
The potential differences on the wires to a house come from transformers. The secondary side is wound on a core of iron. The magnetization direction in this core is changing 50 or 60 times per second, and this causes the potential difference. It is called induction.

The primary side of the transformer is also a coil, which is connected to an alternating current. This is the cause of the magnetic field, an electromagnet.

Which is connected via other transformers to a generator, often a coil physically rotating in a magnetic field. More or less like a bicycle dynamo.
 
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SteamKing said:
What research have you done to answer your own question?
I suppose it might be difficult to find the answer to this kind of question with a search engine. One would probably need to go to the library and get a book at the appropriate level. But how to choose the appropriate level?
 
PietKuip said:
I suppose it might be difficult to find the answer to this kind of question with a search engine. One would probably need to go to the library and get a book at the appropriate level. But how to choose the appropriate level?
You don't know for sure if you don't try. Libraries are so TwenCen.

It's not like the internet started last Tuesday. A simple Google search on "electric power distribution" turns up about 25 million hits. :wink:
 
see if this thread is any help
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/total-amperage-in-a-service-panel.705961/
Drakkith posted a great illustration in post #2
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it's a long thread with lots of questions and answers

here's a shorter article that's probably the source of that picture

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/hsehld.html
 
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PietKuip said:
I suppose it might be difficult to find the answer to this kind of question with a search engine. One would probably need to go to the library and get a book at the appropriate level. But how to choose the appropriate level?
If your knowledge is very elementary, it may be best to look at School (possibly College) revision sites. BBC Bytesize has loads of stuff which could help - if it's too elementary then you can always move on.
There can be difficulties if you just google "Power Distribution" because you can be drowned in specialist techy stuff which assumes a high level of EE knowledge.
There's a skill in effective searching and here's an example where the OP needs to do personal research because he/she is the only one who knows what's the appropriate level. Note: It is necessary to be familiar with elementary DC / resistor circuits before Mains Electricity will make much sense so you need to start with basics and not try to jump too far ahead. That can easily cause confusion in such a formal subject.
It is a good idea not to include "Electrons" in descriptions of Electricity. It really does no good and most EEs go months and months between occasions when they bring Electrons into any of their work. (Strange and annoying - but true)
 
jim hardy said:
Drakkith posted a great illustration in post #2
That could be fine if the OP is in the US. It will cause a mental breakdown if the OP lives in Europe. :))
 
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The OP seems to know some basics (is asking what causes the "potential difference"). Probably learned to deal with circuits with batteries. Then it is a very good question to ask how this is with mains electricity. But beyond uttering the words "electromagnetic induction", there is not much I could explain. (Which is because I do not really know...)
 
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PietKuip said:
The OP seems to know some basics (is asking what causes the "potential difference"). Probably learned to deal with circuits with batteries. Then it is a very good question to ask how this is with mains electricity. But beyond uttering the words "electromagnetic induction", there is not much I could explain. (Which is because I do not really know...)
You could well be right but, as Old Jim always says "A question well asked is almost answered" (or words to that effect).
Very hard when there is confusion in one's mind about a topic. We are all frequently in the same position.
 
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