Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the concept of volume/volume (v/v) units and the possibility of these values exceeding 100%. Participants explore the implications of non-additive volumes when mixing substances, particularly in the context of solutions and gas adsorption.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions how v/v can exceed 100%, noting that it is typically calculated as (volume of solute/total volume).
- Another participant states that volume is not additive, providing an example where mixing 50 mL of water with 50 mL of ethanol results in a total volume of 96.4 mL.
- A similar point is reiterated, with a participant seeking further explanation for the non-additive behavior of volumes.
- A reference to "non-ideal behaviors" is made, suggesting that there are complexities in volume calculations that are not straightforward.
- One participant uses an analogy of adding sand to marbles to illustrate how final volumes can differ from simple sums of individual volumes.
- This analogy is expanded upon, with a discussion of gas adsorption on charcoal and the concept of 'internal volume' affecting overall volume measurements.
- Another participant adds that when gas is adsorbed onto charcoal, the volume occupied by the adsorbate is much less than the volume of gas at standard temperature and pressure (STP), emphasizing the empty space in gas volumes.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally agree that volume is not additive in certain contexts, particularly when discussing solutions and gas adsorption. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of exceeding 100% v/v and the specific mechanisms behind these phenomena.
Contextual Notes
Participants mention non-ideal behaviors and the complexities of volume measurements, indicating that assumptions about volume additivity may not hold in all cases. The discussion includes references to specific examples and analogies that highlight these complexities.