How is it that momentum is being preserved in a non elastic collision?

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The discussion centers around the preservation of momentum in non-elastic collisions, specifically addressing how momentum is conserved despite the production of heat and the conversion of mechanical energy during such collisions.

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  • Some participants question whether momentum is reduced in a non-elastic collision due to heat production.
  • Others argue that while mechanical energy decreases, momentum is conserved, as momentum is a vector quantity and remains unchanged in the center of momentum frame.
  • One participant notes that Newton's third law implies conservation of momentum during collisions.
  • Another participant adds that total energy is conserved, with the decrease in mechanical energy being offset by an increase in internal energy, resulting in heat.
  • The impulse experienced by each ball during the collision is discussed, highlighting that the total change in momentum of the system is zero.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of heat production in non-elastic collisions, with some asserting that momentum is conserved while others question this in light of energy transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between mechanical energy loss and momentum conservation.

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Participants reference Newton's laws and the center of momentum frame, but there are no explicit definitions or assumptions stated regarding the conditions of the collisions being discussed.

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How is it that momentum is being preserved in a non elastic collision?
for example let's say that two balls are colliding head-on, not elastically and heat is produced, does that not reduce the momentum of the system?
 
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xWaldorf said:
Summary:: conservation of momentum in a non-elastic collision

How is it that momentum is being preserved in a non elastic collision?
for example let's say that two balls are colliding head-on, not elastically and heat is produced, does that not reduce the momentum of the system?
No. It reduces the mechanical energy.
 
xWaldorf said:
Summary:: conservation of momentum in a non-elastic collision

How is it that momentum is being preserved in a non elastic collision?
for example let's say that two balls are colliding head-on, not elastically and heat is produced, does that not reduce the momentum of the system?
Momentum is a vector. The momentum of that system, in the CoM (centre of momentum) frame, before and the collision, would be zero.

PS Newton's third law implies conservation of momentum in a collision.
 
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xWaldorf said:
How is it that momentum is being preserved in a non elastic collision?
for example let's say that two balls are colliding head-on, not elastically and heat is produced, does that not reduce the momentum of the system?

Thought I might add, total energy is conserved since the decrease in mechanical energy is accounted for by the increase in internal energy of the balls. They'll get hot!

During the collision, ball 1 exerts a force ##\vec{F}_{21}## on ball 2, and likewise ball 2 exerts ##\vec{F}_{12}## on ball 1. These are necessarily related by ##\vec{F}_{21} = - \vec{F}_{12}##, and are some functions of time.

The impulse on ball 1, ##\Delta\vec{p}_{1} = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \vec{F}_{12} dt = - \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \vec{F}_{21} dt = -\Delta \vec{p}_{2}##. The total change in momentum of the system ##\Delta\vec{p}_{1} + \Delta\vec{p}_{2} = \vec{0}##.

There's nothing here @kuruman and @PeroK haven't already said, but I often find it helpful to scribble some stuff out and see if it works out!
 
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