Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the Lorenz-Lorentz relationship and its implications at high densities of dielectrics. Participants explore the behavior of the refractive index and electric polarizability as the density of materials increases, examining theoretical limits and empirical accuracy.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant notes that the rearrangement of the Lorenz-Lorentz equation suggests that the left side cannot reach unity for arbitrarily large refractive index, raising questions about the behavior of the refractive index at high densities.
- Another participant argues that the limitation is not on the refractive index but rather on the maximum value of electric polarizability, providing calculations that suggest Lorentz-Lorenz theory successfully predicts polarizability values within a certain range.
- A different participant points out that since all substances are compressible, the number density has no upper bound, prompting further inquiry into how the refractive index behaves as density increases.
- Further exploration reveals that the Lorenz-Lorentz relation is most accurate for dilute gases and reasonably good for denser gases and some liquids, while also discussing the implications of substituting the refractive index with relative permittivity, leading to predictions of negative permittivity and imaginary refractive index at ultra-dense limits.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the implications of high density on the refractive index and electric polarizability, with no consensus reached on how these quantities behave under extreme conditions.
Contextual Notes
Limitations include the dependence on assumptions regarding compressibility and the empirical accuracy of the Lorenz-Lorentz relation across different states of matter.