How is Lorenz-Lorentz relationship possible?

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The discussion centers on the Lorenz-Lorentz relationship and its implications at high densities of dielectrics. Participants explore the behavior of the refractive index and electric polarizability as the density of materials increases, examining theoretical limits and empirical accuracy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the rearrangement of the Lorenz-Lorentz equation suggests that the left side cannot reach unity for arbitrarily large refractive index, raising questions about the behavior of the refractive index at high densities.
  • Another participant argues that the limitation is not on the refractive index but rather on the maximum value of electric polarizability, providing calculations that suggest Lorentz-Lorenz theory successfully predicts polarizability values within a certain range.
  • A different participant points out that since all substances are compressible, the number density has no upper bound, prompting further inquiry into how the refractive index behaves as density increases.
  • Further exploration reveals that the Lorenz-Lorentz relation is most accurate for dilute gases and reasonably good for denser gases and some liquids, while also discussing the implications of substituting the refractive index with relative permittivity, leading to predictions of negative permittivity and imaginary refractive index at ultra-dense limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of high density on the refractive index and electric polarizability, with no consensus reached on how these quantities behave under extreme conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions regarding compressibility and the empirical accuracy of the Lorenz-Lorentz relation across different states of matter.

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Its form is:
(n2-1)/(n2+2)=(4π/3)Nam
There is one simple problem with it. Rearrange the left side and you get:
(n2+2-3)/(n2+2)=(4π/3)Nam
1-(3/(n2+2))=(4π/3)Nam
As you see, the left side cannot reach unity for arbitrarily large n2.
But there is no reason why N cannot be arbitrarily large!
How does n behave at high densities of dielectrics, where (4π/3)Nam approaches and exceeds unity?
 
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snorkack said:
As you see, the left side cannot reach unity for arbitrarily large n2.
But there is no reason why N cannot be arbitrarily large!
How does n behave at high densities of dielectrics, where (4π/3)Nam approaches and exceeds unity?
This is not a limitation on the refractive index ##n## but rather a theoretical limit on the maximum value of the electric polarizability ##\alpha##. If you solve the Lorentz-Lorenz (LL) equation for ##\alpha## and take the limit ##n\rightarrow\infty## you get:$$\alpha=\frac{3}{4\pi N}\left(\frac{n^{2}-1}{n^{2}+2}\right)\lt\frac{3}{4\pi N}\thickapprox\frac{0.24}{N}$$Now let's put in some numbers: for an ideal gas at ##20^{\circ}\text{C},1\text{ atm}## we have ##N^{-1}\simeq4\times10^{-20}\text{cm}^{3}##, so LL predicts that ##\alpha\lesssim10^{-20}\text{cm}^{3}##. And indeed, if you check tables of atomic and molecular polarizabilities, you discover that they all fall in the range ##10^{-25}-10^{-21}\text{cm}^3##. Another successful prediction of Lorentz-Lorenz theory!
 
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But the problem is, since all substances are compressible, N has no upper bound and cannot have. So what does n do as N increases?
 
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So what does n do as N increases?
Well, the Lorentz-Lorenz relation is empirically most accurate for dilute gases, and reasonably good for dense gases and some liquids. But that said, we can just plow ahead and see what LL predicts for arbitrarily high concentrations. Let's start by substituting ##n^{2}=\varepsilon##, where ##\varepsilon## is the relative permittivity (dielectric constant), into the LL relation to get the Clausius-Mossotti form ##\alpha=\frac{3}{4\pi N}\left(\frac{\varepsilon-1}{\varepsilon+2}\right)##. Solving for the permittivity gives ##\varepsilon=n^{2}=\frac{9}{3-4\pi N\alpha}-2##. In the ultra-dense limit ##N\rightarrow\infty##, we see that the permittivity ##\varepsilon=-2## is negative, and that the refractive-index becomes purely imaginary, ##n=\sqrt{2}i##. An electromagnetic plane-wave normally-incident from vacuum onto the surface of such an ultra-dense dielectric medium cannot propagate inside. Instead, the wave is perfectly reflected since the reflection coefficient ##\frac{\sqrt{2}i-1}{\sqrt{2}i+1}## has magnitude ##1##. This LL prediction for an infinitely-dense medium seems physically reasonable.
 
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