How Is Mutual Energy Calculated Between Non-Parallel Dipoles?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mutual energy between two non-parallel dipoles, specifically focusing on the expression for mutual energy involving dipole moments and their interactions. The participants explore various equations and concepts related to electric and magnetic dipoles.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the mutual energy using integrals involving potential and density, while questioning the steps taken. Other participants suggest alternative formulations involving magnetic fields and electric fields, prompting discussions about the nature of the dipoles involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of electric fields and the relationship between dipole moments and potential energy. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or the necessary derivations.

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Participants note that the original poster has not yet covered magnetic fields in class, leading to uncertainty about their relevance to the problem. Additionally, there is a distinction being made between electric and magnetic dipoles, which may affect the approaches discussed.

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i need to show that the mutual energy between two dioples p1 and p2 (not necessarily parallel to each other) is U=-\frac{p_1\cdot p_2}{|r|^3}-3\frac{(p_1\cdot r)(p_2\cdot r)}{|r|^5}
where r is the vector from p_1 to p_2. (the p's are moments of diople).

i tried using this equation: U=\int dV \rho_2 * \phi_1
and also this :\phi=\frac{p\cdot r}{|r|^3}
(phi is the potential and rho is the density).
\rho_2=-1/4\pi\nabla^2\phi_2=-1/4\pi[\frac{1}{|r|^2}@/@r(r^2@\phi/@r)+\frac{1}{|r|^2*sin(\theta)}@/@\theta(sin(\theta)@\phi/@\theta)]
where @ stands for peratial derivative, but i didnt get to the desired answer.
any pointers?
 
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What about

U=-{m\cdot B}

where m is the vector for one of the dipoles in field B from the other dipole.
 
you'll have to dig the equation for the field (B) of dipole, too, I reckon.
 
by B, you mean the magnetic field, well i haven't learned it yet (i mean we haven't touched it in class as of yet, i myself read it form purcell), i pretty much sure i don't need here to use B, perhaps something else?
 
So these are electric dipoles then? I guess p usually denotes electric dipole and m is for magnetic dipole.
 
anyway, same equation, just:

U = -p.E

instead of -m.B

and dig up the E field for an electric dipole
 
well for E i found already, shouldn't i prove that it equals p.E? or in other words how to derive it?
 
loop quantum gravity said:
well for E i found already, shouldn't i prove that it equals p.E? or in other words how to derive it?


If you want to find a derivation for U = -p.E, you might also remember that potential Energy is

the integral of F.dl

and the Force from a dipole is

F = (p.grad)E
 

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