How is Parity Transformation Applied in the Dirac Equation?

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The discussion centers around the application of parity transformation in the context of the Dirac equation, exploring how Dirac spinors transform under parity and the implications for the equation itself. Participants examine the mathematical formulation and implications of these transformations, engaging in technical reasoning and derivations.

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  • One participant presents the Dirac equation and queries whether it can be expressed after applying parity transformation, suggesting a specific form for the transformed equation.
  • Another participant explains how the Dirac spinor transforms under parity, indicating that the transformation involves exchanging left and right-handed spinors and that the transformed Dirac equation must be satisfied.
  • There is a discussion about the correct representation of the parity-transformed Dirac spinor, with emphasis on the distinction between ψ(-x,t) and ψ^p(t,-x), and the implications of these representations for the Dirac equation.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation of the parity transformation applied to the Dirac equation, asserting that the transformed spinor still satisfies the Dirac equation when manipulated correctly.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used for the parity-transformed states and requests clarification on the meanings of ψ^p(t,x) and ψ^p(t,-x).
  • There are corrections made regarding earlier statements, with participants refining their claims and derivations based on feedback and questions raised.

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Participants express differing views on the correct form and implications of the parity transformation applied to the Dirac equation. There is no consensus on the interpretations and representations of the transformed spinors, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the importance of understanding how Dirac spinors transform under parity and the limitations of simply negating spatial variables without considering the implications for the spinor itself. There are unresolved questions regarding the notation and the relationship between different representations of the parity-transformed spinors.

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Dirac Equation as Example,
Dirac Equation: [tex]\left(i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu -m \right)\psi(x)=0[/tex]
Can I write it in the following way?
[tex]\left(i\gamma^0 \partial_0- i\gamma^j \partial_j -m \right)\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=0[/tex]
 
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under parity transformation,dirac spinor transforms as
ψ(x,t)-γ0ψ(-x,t),which can be obtained from fact that under parity transformation left and right handed spinors exchange.So after knowing how chiral spinors transform we can go for dirac spinor.Now γ0ψ(-x,t) satisfies dirac eqn.you can then use some manipulation to send γ0 on the left to get the eqn for ψ(-x,t).
 
andrien said:
under parity transformation,dirac spinor transforms as
ψ(x,t)-γ0ψ(-x,t),which can be obtained from fact that under parity transformation left and right handed spinors exchange.So after knowing how chiral spinors transform we can go for dirac spinor.Now γ0ψ(-x,t) satisfies dirac eqn.you can then use some manipulation to send γ0 on the left to get the eqn for ψ(-x,t).

Thank you very much for your answer, my question is :
The second equation in my first thread is the direct consequence by taking parity
transformation over two sides of the first Dirac equation (of course, the right hand side of the Dirac equation is zero)?
 
PRB147 said:
Thank you very much for your answer, my question is :
The second equation in my first thread is the direct consequence by taking parity
transformation over two sides of the first Dirac equation (of course, the right hand side of the Dirac equation is zero)?
In writing the dirac eqn after parity transformation,you should change the sign of space variables which you have done.But so far you also have to know how dirac spinor will transform under parity.You can not simply put a minus sign with x to get parity transformed dirac spinor because
ψ(x,t)≠ψ(-x,t).the parity transformed dirac eqn reads
γ0(iγ00-iγii-m)ψ(-x,t)=0
 
andrien said:
In writing the dirac eqn after parity transformation,you should change the sign of space variables which you have done.But so far you also have to know how dirac spinor will transform under parity.You can not simply put a minus sign with x to get parity transformed dirac spinor because
ψ(x,t)≠ψ(-x,t).the parity transformed dirac eqn reads
γ0(iγ00-iγii-m)ψ(-x,t)=0

please look at my equation carefully, it is [tex]\psi^p(t,-{\bf x})[/tex], not ψ(-x,t)
 
then you should simply write ψp(t,x) which will be parity transformed spinor and then you should seek relation to original ψ.
edit-One more thing,Dirac eqn does not look like the original eqn with ψ(-x,t) but with γ0ψ(-x,t) it looks same.
 
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andrien said:
then you should simply write ψp(t,x) which will be parity transformed spinor and then you should seek relation to original ψ.
edit-One more thing,Dirac eqn does not look like the original eqn with ψ(-x,t) but with γ0ψ(-x,t) it looks same.

my derivation is as follows:
Dirac Equation as Example,
Dirac Equation: [tex]\left(i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu -m \right)\psi(x)=0[/tex]
Taking parity transform in both sides of the above Dirac Equation:
[tex]\left(i\gamma^0 \partial_0- i\gamma^j \partial_j -m \right)\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=0[/tex]
Then we multiply from left [tex]\gamma^0[/tex], then we get:
[tex]\left(i\gamma^0 \partial_0+ i\gamma^j \partial_j -m \right) \gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=0[/tex]

that is to say, [tex]\gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/tex] still obey the Dirac Equation

So

[tex]\gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=\eta_p\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/tex]

Then
[tex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=\eta_p \gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/tex]

and then:

[tex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})=\eta_p \gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/tex]

This is my derivation, the result is the same as yours and that in textbook.
 
your derivation is highly confusing.Please specify what is the meaning of[itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/itex] and [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/itex].when you write the parity transformed state [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/itex] then what is meaning of [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/itex].
 
My previous derivation contains typo

the correct is as follows:

PRB147 said:
my derivation is as follows:
Dirac Equation as Example,
Dirac Equation: [tex]\left(i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu -m \right)\psi(t,{\bf x})=0[/tex]
Taking parity transform in both sides of the above Dirac Equation:
[tex]\left(i\gamma^0 \partial_0- i\gamma^j \partial_j -m \right)\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=0[/tex]
Then we multiply from left [tex]\gamma^0[/tex], then we get:
[tex]\left(i\gamma^0 \partial_0+ i\gamma^j \partial_j -m \right) \gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=0[/tex]

that is to say, [tex]\gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/tex] still obey the Dirac Equation

So

[tex]\gamma^0\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=\eta_p\psi(t,{\bf x})[/tex]

Then
[tex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})=\eta_p \gamma^0\psi(t,{\bf x})[/tex]

and then:

[tex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})=\eta_p \gamma^0\psi(t,{\bf -x})[/tex]

This is my derivation, the result is the same as yours and that in textbook.
 
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andrien said:
your derivation is highly confusing.Please specify what is the meaning of[itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/itex] and [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/itex].when you write the parity transformed state [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf -x})[/itex] then what is meaning of [itex]\psi^p(t,{\bf x})[/itex].

Thank you very much for your patience, I understand what you said.
 

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