How Is Russell's Paradox Resolved?

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The discussion revolves around Russell's Paradox and its resolution within set theory. Participants explore various approaches to understanding how certain sets are defined or restricted to avoid the paradox, including the implications of different axioms and models of set theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that disallowing unrestricted comprehension is a key resolution to Russell's Paradox, suggesting that only certain collections can be called sets.
  • Examples of permissible set constructions are discussed, such as sets defined by predicates or functions applied to existing sets.
  • Others argue that the definition of a set can vary depending on the axioms chosen, indicating that what constitutes a set may differ across different set theories.
  • A participant notes that some collections, like the collection of all sets or all cardinal numbers, cannot be sets in any model of set theory.
  • There is mention of historical figures, Russell and Zermelo, who independently contributed to resolving the paradox through different axiomatic approaches.
  • Some participants express confusion about the technical details and request simpler examples to clarify the concepts discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to restrict certain constructions to avoid the paradox, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of different set theories. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and axioms involved.

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Limitations include the complexity of set theory axioms and the varying interpretations of what constitutes a set across different models. The discussion also reflects differing levels of understanding among participants.

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well, i read about the russell's paradox recently. but what i was wondering is "how is the paradox resolved?"
 
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By disallowing unrestricted comprehension. I.e. restricting what is allowed to be called a set. Things that are too large to be called sets are called (proper) classes.
 
matt grime said:
By disallowing unrestricted comprehension. I.e. restricting what is allowed to be called a set.
can you please give an example of what cannot be allowed to be called a set (to avoid the paradox)?
 
You are always allowed to construct sets like

[tex]\{ x \in X \, | \, P(x) \}[/tex]

(where X is some set, and P is some logical predicate) and

[tex]\{ f(x) \, | \, x \in X\}[/tex]

(where f is some logical function) but you aren't generally allowed to construct

[tex]\{ x \, | \, P(x) \}[/tex]

(And, of course, you can always do pairs, unions, and power sets)
 
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all of those went above my head. can you give some easier examples?
 
No. Nothing, a priori, is a set. All we know is that we have a notion of what we want a set to be, and the rules the collection of sets should obey. We also know what rules we can't allow sets to obey (Russell's paradox). Thus we have to sit down and write out a collection of axioms that we want sets to obey, and then think about what things can be sets *in some model* of the axioms. Thus some collection of objects might be a set in one theory and not in another. What all set theories do agree on is that there is an empty set, that is an object that satisfies x in X is false for all x. Apart from that you're on your own as to what is and what isn't a set.

Some things cannot be sets in any model. For instance if M is some model of some set theory, the collection of sets in M is not a set in M. The class of all cardinal numbers is not a set in any theory. Indeed that is one way to show something is not a set: show it has 'cardinality' greater than kappa for any cardinal kappa.

There are models of set theory where the real numbers as you know them are not a set.

In short think of 'set' as a label that we can apply to some objects and not to others, depending on the axioms we have chosen.

(Actually, this wasn't how Russell got round the issue, but his notion of higher types did not catch on as it is far too wieldy).
 
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all of those went above my head. can you give some easier examples?
It's an algebraic sort of thing: ZFC explicitly posits the existence of only two sets: the empty set, and the set of natural numbers... but it provides us with a lot of ways to build new sets out of old sets.

For example, if X and Y are sets, then we can apply the { , } operator to create the "pair set": {X, Y}.
 
suppose we construct a set [tex]A = \{ S \ | \ S \not\in S \}[/tex]. so to avoid Russell's paradox, this kind of sets are NOT allowed. am i right?
 
Correct; that construction is in neither of the two forms I mentioned earlier, so it is not expressly permitted. (And the paradox proves that it cannot be permitted)
 
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Russel and Zermelo

Two people actually solved the problem independently. Zermelo introduced an axiom called the axiom of separation and Russell introduced his theory of types.
 

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