How is the Inverse Phasor Transform of Sum of Individual Phasors Proven?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the inverse Phasor transform of the sum of individual Phasors of sinusoidal functions that share the same frequency. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and identities involved in this transformation, seeking clarity on the underlying principles and equations.

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  • One participant requests a rigorous proof of how the inverse Phasor transform results in the sum of sinusoids.
  • Another participant suggests that the proof may relate to the Laplace transform, indicating a potential connection to broader mathematical concepts.
  • Equations are presented that express the sum of sinusoidal functions in terms of their Phasor representations, including the use of complex exponentials.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of notation, particularly regarding the representation of Phasors and whether certain terms are real numbers.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation showing how the sum of Phasors can be expressed in terms of a single Phasor, including calculations for amplitude and phase.
  • Another participant highlights the relationship between complex exponentials and trigonometric identities, suggesting that this relationship aids in understanding the transformation.

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Hello,

Can someone show me how the inverse Phasor transform of the sum of individual Phasors of sinusoidal functions of the same frequency is the sum of the sinusoids? I could not find any rigorous proof and help appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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Somehow I have a feeling the proof is in the Laplace transform...I will keep looking
 
Can you start by writing out an equation for what you say in words in Post #1?
 
Here are the equations:

[tex] \sigma = A_{0}\cos(wt + \phi_{0}) + A_{1}\cos(wt + \phi_{1}) + ... + A_{n}\cos(wt + \phi_{n}) = \mathbf{B}\cos(wt + \Phi_{0})[/tex]
[tex] \sigma = \mathbf{Re}\{A_{0}e^{\phi_{0}i}e^{wti}\} + \mathbf{Re}\{A_{1}e^{\phi_{1}i}e^{wti}\} + ... + \mathbf{Re}\{A_{n}e^{\phi_{n}i}e^{wti}\}[/tex]
[tex] \sigma = \mathbf{Re}\{\mathbf{P}_{0}e^{wti}\} + \mathbf{Re}\{\mathbf{P}_{1}e^{wti}\} + ... + \mathbf{Re}\{\mathbf{P}_{n}e^{wti}\}[/tex]

My question why...?

[tex] \sum\limits_{i = 0}^{n} \mathbf{P}_{i} = \mathbf{P}\{\mathbf{B}\cos(wt + \Phi)\}[/tex]

Thanks.
 
What do you mean by ##\mathbf{P}\{\mathbf{B}\cos(wt + \Phi)\}##? Does this equal ##\mathbf{B}\exp(i\Phi)##?

Also, is it significant that you used boldface for ##\mathbf{B}##? Isn't it just some real number? I want to make sure I understand what you are asking.
 
Yes. It's just the Phasor transform.

Yes, B is a real number.
 
OK,
$$\begin{align}
\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k\cos(\omega t + \phi_k) &= \sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k[\cos(\omega t)\cos(\phi_k) - \sin(\omega t)\sin(\phi_k)] \\
&= \left(\sum_{k=0}^{n} A_k \cos(\phi_k)\right) \cos(\omega t) - \left(\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k\sin(\phi_k)\right)\sin(\omega t) \\
&= A\cos(\omega t + \Phi) \\
\end{align}$$
To compute ##A## and ##\Phi##, we again use the trig identity
$$A\cos(\omega t + \Phi) = A\cos(\Phi)\cos(\omega t) - A\sin(\Phi)\sin(\omega t)$$
and compare with what we have above to conclude that
$$A \cos(\Phi) = \sum_{k=0}^{n} A_k \cos(\phi_k)$$
and
$$A\sin(\Phi) = \sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k\sin(\phi_k)$$
Therefore,
$$\begin{align}
\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k \exp(i\phi_k) &=
\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k \cos(\phi_k) + i\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k\sin(\phi_k)\\
&= A[\cos(\Phi) + i\sin(\Phi)] = A\exp(i \Phi)
\end{align}$$
which gives us what we want.

If desired, we can calculate ##A## and ##\Phi## explicitly as follows:
$$A = \sqrt{\left(\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k \cos(\phi_k)\right)^2 + \left(\sum_{k=0}^{n} A_k \sin(\phi_k)\right)^2}$$
and
$$\Phi = \arctan\left(\frac{\sum_{k=0}^{n} A_k \sin(\phi_k)}{\sum_{k=0}^{n}A_k \cos(\phi_k)}\right)$$
 
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seminum said:
Can someone show me how the inverse Phasor transform of the sum of individual Phasors of sinusoidal functions of the same frequency is the sum of the sinusoids?

jbunniii has a nice and very thorough demonstration above.

One of the interesting things you notice is the close relationship between addition of complex exponentials and angle addition in the trig identities. If you keep it in complex exponential form, then you can also show what you say (in words) above by:
$$
\begin{align}
\mathcal{P}^{-1} \Biggl\{ \sum\limits_{j = 0}^{n} \mathbf{P}_j \Biggr\}
&= \mathcal{P}^{-1} \Biggl\{ \sum\limits_{j = 0}^{n} A_{j}e^{\phi_{j}i} \Biggr\} \\
&= \mathbf{Re} \Biggl\{ \Biggl[ \sum\limits_{j = 0}^{n} A_{j}e^{\phi_{j}i} \Biggr] e^{wti} \Biggr\} \\
&= \mathbf{Re} \Biggl\{ \sum\limits_{j = 0}^{n} A_{j}e^{(wt+\phi_{j})i} \Biggr\} \\
&= \sum\limits_{j = 0}^{n} A_{j}\cos(wt+\phi_{j}) .
\end{align}
$$
 
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