How Is the Position Function H(t) for a Yo-Yo Derived in Calculus?

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the position function H(t) for a yo-yo, specifically the equation H(t) = t^3 - 6t^2 + 5t + 30. Participants explore the context and components of the equation, including initial conditions and the influence of gravitational acceleration.

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  • One participant presents the equation H(t) and requests clarification on its derivation, noting specific initial conditions.
  • Another participant questions the source of the equation, indicating that context is necessary for a proper explanation.
  • A third participant provides a general equation of motion for a body thrown upwards, suggesting that the terms in H(t) could relate to initial height and velocity, while also speculating on the role of rotational dynamics in the presence of the t^3 term.
  • A later reply acknowledges the source of the problem as 'Calculus for Dummies' and expresses a preference for a metric-based problem.
  • Another participant notes that the problem may not represent an actual physical system but is intended for practicing calculus mechanics.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the equation or its physical representation, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining regarding the context and implications of the terms in H(t).

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the lack of context for the equation, the assumptions made about the physical system, and the potential disconnect between the mathematical representation and real-world dynamics.

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H(t) = t^3-6t^2+5t+30 this is a yo yo 30 inches above ground at t =0, at 4 secs it is 18 inches above ground. Please tell me how these figures are derived; t^3,6t^2, 5t; I realize the 30 is initial position. I am 81 but very curious. Thank you.
 
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Where did you get this equation? We can't tell you where it comes from until you tell us where you found it.
 
Hard to answer this without knowing any context of where did you find this equation. But I can try
It is well known fact that a body that is thrown with initial velocity ##v_0## upwards and from initial height ##y_0## will have an equation of motion, where y is the height from the ground at time t as follows:
$$y=y_0+v_0t-\frac{1}{2}gt^2$$
where g is the gravitational acceleration ##g=10m/s^2##
So I believe this explains (almost) the ##-6t^2## and ##5t## terms (for ##v_0=5## and ##-\frac{1}{2}g=-5## and ##y_0=30##). For the ##t^3 ## term I believe the explanation lies within the rotational dynamics of a yo-yo. As the yo-yo goes upward, some of its rotational kinetic energy is converted to gravitational potential energy and this might explain the presence of the ##t^3## term. But I haven't studied myself a lot the rotational dynamics of the yoyo so I can't tell you exactly how we get this term.
 
Thank you Delta2 I think I am almost there, I found this problem in 'Calculus for Dummies' page181. I really should have used a metric based problem. I really appreciate your kind reply. Regards.
 
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farnworth said:
I found this problem in 'Calculus for Dummies' page181.

Then it doesn't necessarily represent an actual physical system. It's just there to practice the mechanics of calculus.
 

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