What Is the Formula for the Position of a Mass Falling Towards a Planet?

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The discussion revolves around finding a closed formula for the position of a mass falling towards a planet, specifically under the influence of gravity that varies with distance. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the motion, including differential equations and integration techniques.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a question about deriving a formula s(t) for a mass in free fall towards a planet, starting from the gravitational force equation F=G(Mm)/r^2 and leading to the differential equation s'' = k/(s^2).
  • Post 1 also expresses uncertainty about the integration process needed to solve the differential equation and seeks alternative methods for obtaining s(t).
  • Post 2 and Post 3 provide links to external resources on radial trajectories, suggesting they may contain relevant information for the problem.
  • Post 4 critiques the integration approach taken in Post 1, suggesting that the integration should be done with respect to s rather than t, and introduces the concept of using v=s' for integration.
  • Post 4 mentions that the solution may involve inverse trigonometric functions and suggests numerical methods like the Newton-Raphson algorithm for finding the desired results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, and multiple approaches and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the mass of the falling object compared to the planet, and the integration steps are not fully resolved, leaving the mathematical process open to further exploration.

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Question: Finding the closed formula s(t) that gives the approaching position of an inertial mass to a planet
Supposing the mass initially stationary, and far enough and for long enough that it is NOT possible to consider the gravity as constant while it moves closer and closer.

Said in a different way.
Given a mass in free fall from afar to a planet, what is the motion formula s(t),
the one that returns:
at 0 seconds the mass will be 100000km distant
at 10 seconds the mass will be 99999Km distant.
at 20 seconds the mass will be 99996Km distant
at 100 seconds the mass will be 94000Km distant (it is accelerating, and the acceleration increases while it approaches the planet), etc.

So given M= the mass of the planet
m = the mass of the free fall mass
So = the initial distance of the mass

Given F=G(Mm)/r^2
we obtain
m*a(t) = GMm/(r(t)^2)
a(t) = GM/(r(t)^2)

Now we solve with derivative calculus
Posing k=GM
s'' = k/(s^2)

Is the above correct?
If it is, how can I solve this differential equation?
(I suppose a constant will pop out from some integral, and it will be our initial S0)

Can I simply integrate left and right a couple of times?
Providing all is preserved, no bad negatives, no 0s around, all functions are analytical in complex space as they appear to be etc.

If I can, I suppose that I will end up with
s' = S0-k/s
s = S0-k/(ln(s))

which is:
s(t) = S0-k/(ln(s(t))

And now? How can I get s(t) ?

Another way to solve this problem?
 
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Let's go back to your equation
s'' = k/(s^2)

You tried to integrate this directly, giving s' on the left hand side. In other words you were integrating with respect to t. So you'd also have to integrate the right hand side with respect to t, not s as you tried to do. The real next step is to note that s'' = v(dv/ds), where v=s'. Then you can integrate both sides w.r.t. s. There's maybe a page of algebra to get to the final result, depending on how fluent you are, but it's not as intimidating as the general formulae on Wikipedia make it look.

Yes you get t as a function of s; you'll probably find it involves inverse trig functions. That's the way the world works. You can get the answers you want by simple interpolation, or by inverting the expression numerically, for instance using a Newton-Raphson algorithm.

(Note that you're considering a special case, where the mass is falling directly towards the centre of the planet, and has negligible mass compared to the planet.)
 
Thanks.
I will try developing from your advice
 

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