How is Wave Intensity Affected by Half Amplitude and Double Frequency?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between wave intensity, amplitude, and frequency. Participants are exploring how these variables interact, particularly in the context of a proof question regarding the intensity of two waves.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definitions of amplitude and frequency, questioning their roles in the intensity of waves. There is also discussion about the interpretation of proportionality in the context of intensity, amplitude, and frequency.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the original poster's statements being explored. Some participants are providing guidance on how to approach the problem conceptually, while others are questioning the clarity of the original post.

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There is mention of ambiguity in the original post regarding the relationship between intensity, amplitude, and frequency. Additionally, participants note the importance of understanding the specific type of wave being discussed, as well as the parameters used to describe it.

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TL;DR Summary: How do i find the intensity of this wave?

I know I is proportional to amplitude / frequency squared, but I don't know what equation this comes from. And I don't know how to answer this.
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homeworkhelpls said:
I know I is proportional to amplitude / frequency squared
Let's start with the basics: do you know the difference between amplitude and frequency?
 
Ibix said:
Let's start with the basics: do you know the difference between amplitude and frequency?
Yes, brother im an undergrad
 
What kind of wave is this? And what is x on the vertical axis? Is it linear displacement of the particles in the wave?
 
nasu said:
What kind of wave is this? And what is x on the vertical axis? Is it linear displacement of the particles in the wave?
doesnt matter, the question is used to ultimately prove that intensity of both waves is the same, its a proof question
 
homeworkhelpls said:
Yes, brother im an undergrad
Ok. So is intensity proportional to the square of the amplitude or of the frequency, or what?
 
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@homeworkhelpls, you might be puzzled by these responses:
Ibix said:
Let's start with the basics: do you know the difference between amplitude and frequency?
Ibix said:
Ok. So is intensity proportional to the square of the amplitude or of the frequency, or what?
But I'd say the cause is some ambiguity in your post:
homeworkhelpls said:
I know I is proportional to amplitude / frequency squared,
I can read that as:
  • ##(\frac{amplitude}{frequency})^2##
  • either ##{amplitude}^2## or ##{frequency}^2##, but not sure which or whether it matters
  • both ##{amplitude}^2## and ##{frequency}^2##
My guess is that you meant the third, whereas @Ibix read it as the second.
 
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haruspex said:
My guess is that you meant the third, whereas @Ibix read it as the second.
There's a point here about writing clearly, @homeworkhelpls . You saved yourself two characters by writing / writing of "and". You'd probably have had your answer this morning if you'd spent the two extra characters.
 
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homeworkhelpls said:
doesnt matter, the question is used to ultimately prove that intensity of both waves is the same, its a proof question
It does matter to know what quantities are represented on the axes. You may know it but out of context is not obvious.
 
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nasu said:
It does matter to know what quantities are represented on the axes. You may know it but out of context is not obvious.
No i don't know it, you're not supposed to know it bro i saw the answer
 
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haruspex said:
@homeworkhelpls, you might be puzzled by these responses:But I'd say the cause is some ambiguity in your post:

I can read that as:
  • ##(\frac{amplitude}{frequency})^2##
  • either ##{amplitude}^2## or ##{frequency}^2##, but not sure which or whether it matters
  • both ##{amplitude}^2## and ##{frequency}^2##
My guess is that you meant the third, whereas @Ibix read it as the second.
Damn guys my bad lol, no all three guesses were wrong i meant the physics law of intensity where, I is directally proportional to amplitude squared
 
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kuruman said:
Maybe you will find this link useful.
lol, what if i have no heat source
 
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homeworkhelpls said:
Damn guys my bad lol, no all three guesses were wrong i meant the physics law of intensity where, I is directally proportional to amplitude squared
See if this helps https://physics.info/intensity/
 
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homeworkhelpls said:
I know I is proportional to amplitude / frequency squared, but I don't know what equation this comes from. And I don't know how to answer this.
It is not clear what your difficulty is. You don’t need the equation to apply proportionality. For example: the area of a circle is 100cm²; the radius is halved; what is the new area? (No equations needed.)

From the graphs:

1: what is the value of ##\frac {A_P}{A_Q}## (where ##A## is amplitude)?

2: what is the value of ##\frac {f_P}{f_Q}## (where ##f## is frequency)?

In terms of proportionality:

3: how is intensity related to amplitude if all other parameters are kept constant?

4: how is intensity related to frequency, if all other parameters are kept constant?

If you can answer all 4 questions, you should be able to solve the problem.
 
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homeworkhelpls said:
No i don't know it, you're not supposed to know it bro i saw the answer
You know that this is related to some chapter in a book where a specific type of wave is described. Possibly just a plane wave in 1 dimension. But this is not the only wave possible and a linear dispalcement (position of particle) is not the only parameter used to describe a wave. What you know in the context of the specific book is not obvious for the people outside that context. A sound wave is most commonly described by the acoustic pressure and not particle displacement, for example.
 
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Bruh relax I’ll just send answer
nasu said:
You know that this is related to some chapter in a book where a specific type of wave is described. Possibly just a plane wave in 1 dimension. But this is not the only wave possible and a linear dispalcement (position of particle) is not the only parameter used to describe a wave. What you know in the context of the specific book is not obvious for the people outside that context. A sound wave is most commonly described by the acoustic pressure and not particle displacement, for example
 
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