How is Work Calculated in Reversible Adiabatic Expansion?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done during a reversible adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas, specifically focusing on the relationship expressed in the equation W = (P1V1 – P2V2)/(1 ‐ γ). Participants are exploring the underlying principles of thermodynamics related to this process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the constant nature of P1V1^γ for reversible adiabatic processes and attempt to derive the work equation. Questions arise regarding the integration needed to arrive at the denominator (1 - γ) and the implications of the first law of thermodynamics.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on using the first law of thermodynamics and the ideal gas law to approach the problem. There is an acknowledgment of different methods being explored, with one participant expressing that a suggested approach was easier than their initial method.

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Participants mention difficulties with mathematical integration and the application of thermodynamic principles, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. There is a reference to external resources for further information.

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Homework Statement



I'm in a rutt for a tutorial question:

The question is basically to show that the work done during a reversible adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas is

W = (P1V1 – P2V2)/(1 ‐ γ) ... Y is gamma

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I've got so far as to get W= (P1V1^γ – P2V2^γ)
due to P1V1^γ being constant for a reversible adiabat
also that W= -PdV

But i haven't a clue how to get the 1-Y at the bottom, me thinks its intergrating for V to get this but my maths is very bad so i don't know how to do this.
 
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tensus2000 said:

Homework Statement



I'm in a rutt for a tutorial question:

The question is basically to show that the work done during a reversible adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas is

W = (P1V1 – P2V2)/(1 ‐ γ) ... Y is gamma

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I've got so far as to get W= (P1V1^γ – P2V2^γ)
due to P1V1^γ being constant for a reversible adiabat
also that W= -PdV

But i haven't a clue how to get the 1-Y at the bottom, me thinks its intergrating for V to get this but my maths is very bad so i don't know how to do this.
Apply the first law: \Delta Q = \Delta U + W.

Since \Delta Q = 0 and \Delta U = nC_v\Delta T where C_v = R/(\gamma - 1) you should be able to work it out quickly. (Hint: apply the ideal gas law: PV=nRT).

AM
 
still lost
 
tensus2000 said:
still lost

\Delta Q = \Delta U + W = 0

(1) \therefore W = - \Delta U


Now:

(2) \Delta U = nC_v\Delta T and

C_v = C_p/\gamma = (C_v+R)/\gamma so:

(3) C_v = R/(\gamma-1)

Substitute (3) into (2) and then just substitute PV for nRT

AM
 
Cheers, i got it
The way you showed was much easier then the way i was going about it
 

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