How Is Work Calculated When Compressing Gas?

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The discussion revolves around calculating work done on a gas during compression at a constant pressure, along with determining the change in internal energy. The problem involves understanding the relationships between pressure, volume, and energy transfer in thermodynamic processes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of work using the formula W = P(Vf - Vi) and question whether this represents work done on or by the gas. There is discussion about the signs associated with work in the context of gas compression and expansion.

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Participants are actively clarifying the definitions of work in thermodynamic equations and the implications of positive and negative work. There is a focus on ensuring understanding of whether the work is done on the gas or by the gas, with some guidance provided on the correct interpretation of the equations involved.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of correctly identifying the type of work being calculated, as well as the potential confusion arising from the signs used in the equations. The original poster has expressed uncertainty about their calculations and the definitions being used.

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Homework Statement



Pt. A) A gas is compressed at a constant pressure of 0.632 atm from 7.11 L to 5 L. In the process,
440 J of energy leaves the gas by heat.
What is the work done on the gas?
Answer in units of J

Pt. B)

What is the change in its internal energy?
Answer in units of J

Homework Equations



PV = nRT
U = Q + W
1 atm = 101325 pa
1L = .001m^3

The Attempt at a Solution


A)

.632atm = 64037.4 pa
7.22L = .00711 m^3
5L = .005 m^3

W = P(Vf -Vi)
=
64037.4(.005-.00711)
=
-135.189

U = Q+W

U = -135.189 -440
=
-575.1189

OR (done other ways)
: 304.881
: -304.881
: 575.118914

All of these were wrong. Please help?

B) ...
 
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Negan57 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


A)

.632atm = 64037.4 pa
7.22L = .00711 m^3
5L = .005 m^3

W = P(Vf -Vi)
Is this the work done ON the gas or the work done BY the gas? What does the question ask for?
B) ...
What is W in U = Q + W? (ie is it work done ON or BY the gas?).

AM
 
It asks for the work done ON the gas. The reasons its W = P(Vf-Vi) and not W = -P(Vf-Vi) is because its work ON gas not BY the gas. In U = Q + W, W is work on gas presumably, though I'm not 100% sure.
 
Negan57 said:
It asks for the work done ON the gas. The reasons its W = P(Vf-Vi) and not W = -P(Vf-Vi) is because its work ON gas not BY the gas. In U = Q + W, W is work on gas presumably, though I'm not 100% sure.
This is important. Positive work is done BY the gas when it expands. The work done BY the gas is PΔV where ΔV>0. Positive work is done ON the gas when it is compressed. So the work done ON the gas is -PΔV.

So, in the expression U = Q+W, the W is work done ___ the gas.(hint: if W is positive is there an expansion or compression?).

AM
 

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