How Large Must a Helium Balloon Be to Achieve Neutral Buoyancy?

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The discussion centers on calculating the diameter of a helium-filled balloon required for neutral buoyancy, given an empty balloon mass of 2 g. The key equations involved include the buoyant force equation (FB = density × gravity × Volume) and the correct volume formula for a sphere, V = (4/3)πr³. Participants emphasized the importance of using the ideal gas law to determine the densities of air and helium, which are crucial for accurate calculations. A common error noted was the incorrect volume formula initially provided, which used r² instead of r³.

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Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
 
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You've overlooked a contributor to the weight of the balloon.
You do need facts concerning gas densities. Assume atmospheric pressure.
 
TR1 said:

Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
Use the ideal gas law to get the density of air (and helium if you think that will be significant compared to the balloon weight).

Chet
 
TR1 said:

Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
Your formula for the volume of the balloon is incorrect.

V = (4/3)π r3 (yes, r cubed, not r squared)

and π ≈ 3.14159 ..., not 4.13
 

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