How Long Does It Take for a Damped Oscillator's Energy to Halve?

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The discussion revolves around a damped oscillator problem involving a mass suspended from a spring. The original poster seeks to determine the time required for the oscillator's total energy to decrease to half of its initial value, given the period of oscillation and the reduction factor due to damping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between amplitude reduction and energy loss, questioning how to calculate the damping factor (tau) and its implications on energy decay. There is discussion on the fraction of energy remaining after multiple oscillations and the correct interpretation of the damping effect.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various attempts to calculate the number of oscillations needed for the energy to halve. Some participants have provided calculations and corrections, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the underlying principles. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical relationships involved.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to define the damping constant and its relationship to the amplitude and energy of the oscillator. There is mention of confusion regarding the application of certain mathematical principles, particularly in relation to energy decay over time.

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Homework Statement


A mass M is suspended from a spring and oscillates with a period of 0.880 s. Each complete oscillation results in an amplitude reduction of a factor of 0.96 due to a small velocity dependent frictional effect. Calculate the time it takes for the total energy of the oscillator to decrease to 0.50 of its initial value.


Homework Equations



N oscillations=(initial amplitude)x(factor)^N
E=Eo*e^(-t/Tau)
Tau = m/b


The Attempt at a Solution


I really have no idea on how to approach this problem. I need to find tau, which is m/b, but idk what b is. if i have tau, the E on both sides cancel and I'm left with
1/2 = e^-t/tau. t = tau ln (2)
So basically i need to find tau.

Thanks!
 
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Ignore m/b. What fraction of the initial energy is left after one oscillation?
Ans. 0.962
After two oscillations?
Ans. 0.962*0.962
After n oscillations?
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i got 16.97 as n. it works because .96^17 = ~ 0.499

So if that's true, 0.88 which is the period * 16.97 which gives me 14.94 seconds.

This makes sense except the answer's still wrong?
 
OK I'm retarded. n = 7.47

My friend here said not to do .96squared and woulnd't tell me why. So i blame her.

Thanks again =D
 
Your friend is correct. I got 7.53 s (close enough). Initially, I assumed linearity where there was none.

I will get you started. Assume that the rate of change of the amplitude is proportional to the amplitude. Call the proportionality constant C. Then

[tex]\frac{dA}{dt} = - c A[/tex]

Solve this equation for A(t), and use the fact that A(0.88) = 0.96 A0

Once you have A(t) you can find E(t), etc. etc.

This is a good problem. I learned something from it. Thanks.
 

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