How many 3x3 matrices can you find

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the number of 3x3 matrices that can be formed under specific conditions related to matrix multiplication and the behavior of these matrices with respect to input vectors. The original poster is exploring whether the solutions are finite or infinite based on the variables involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to construct 3x3 matrices and analyze their multiplication with a vector, leading to a consideration of the implications of having variables in the matrix. Some participants suggest focusing on specific values for the variables to clarify the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in transitioning from addition to multiplication within the context of matrix operations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of defining matrix entries as constants rather than variables.

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Participants are grappling with the foundational concepts of matrix multiplication and the specific requirements of the problem, including whether the matrix can contain variables or must consist of fixed numerical entries. There is uncertainty about the existence of a suitable matrix that meets the problem's criteria.

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My instructor wants to know if there are finite or infinite amount of solutions

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Matrix Multiplication


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I pretty much turned A into a 3x3 matrix like this...
| A11 A12 A13 |
| A21 A22 A23 |
| A31 A32 A33 |

and then multiplied it by the given matrix of x y and z.

After multiplying I found myself with 2 matrices that I think would fit the solution...

| y 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |

and

| 0 x 0 |
| 0 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |

The first matrix would correspond to xy + 0y + 0z
0x + 0y + 0z
0x + 0y + 0z
yielding the answer indicated by the question


and the second would correspond to 0x + xy + 0z
0x + 0y + 0z
0x + 0y + 0z
yielding the answered indicated by the question

However, I find myself second guessing myself. I think I have 2 solutions, but since x and y are variables, they could be any number, ergo have infinite matrices. I think I may be over complicating things or perhaps I am just incorrect. Pretty much my question is, am I correct or perhaps on the right track or just wrong?
 
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rofln said:
After multiplying I found myself with 2 matrices that I think would fit the solution...

| y 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |

and

| 0 x 0 |
| 0 0 0 |
| 0 0 0 |

This indeed doesn't work. You have to find a matrix that will work with any vector, and return a vector with only the first component non-zero, such that this component is the product of the first two components of the original vector.
 
Consider some specific choice(s) of x and y.
 
So working off of:

A11x + A12y + A13z
A21x + A22y + A23z
A31x + A32y + A33z

I should only be concerned with the first row? And in that first row I must somehow make it so it equals the desired result of xy? I feel like I've hit a brick wall on this problem. I do not understand how get from addition to multiplication. I have tried substituting random values for x and y trying to factor them out, but I feel like I am just shooting in the dark with that. Am I supposed to try to find some factor values and work off of those? I apologize if I am not grasping this quite well, this matrix stuff is new to me.
 
rofln said:
So working off of:

A11x + A12y + A13z
A21x + A22y + A23z
A31x + A32y + A33z

I should only be concerned with the first row? And in that first row I must somehow make it so it equals the desired result of xy? I feel like I've hit a brick wall on this problem. I do not understand how get from addition to multiplication. I have tried substituting random values for x and y trying to factor them out, but I feel like I am just shooting in the dark with that. Am I supposed to try to find some factor values and work off of those? I apologize if I am not grasping this quite well, this matrix stuff is new to me.

Yes, just think about the first row. The entries of the matrix A have to be definite numbers, not variables like x or y I would think. Have you considered that there may be no such matrix A? Or did that say that the matrix A is allowed to contain the variables x,y and z?
 
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