How many elements in a hand-full of sand ?

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The discussion revolves around the question of how many of the 92 naturally occurring elements can be found in a handful of sand, including those present in minuscule but measurable amounts. Participants explore the presence of various elements in sand, considering both stable and unstable elements, and the implications of their natural occurrence.

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  • Some participants propose that almost all naturally occurring elements could be found in sand.
  • Others express uncertainty about the claim that all natural elements are present, with one participant questioning the number "92" and seeking clarification.
  • It is noted that elements 93 and above are unstable and not considered naturally occurring.
  • One participant mentions that there are only 81 stable elements, excluding Technetium (Tc) and Promethium (Pr), which are unstable.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of short-lived and rare elements like Technetium, Promethium, Astatine, and Francium in sand.
  • Another participant suggests that iridium, while rare, is found in the Earth's crust and may be present in sand.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of noble gases like neon being present if the sand contains air or dissolved gases.
  • One participant discusses the solubility of noble gases in magma and how this relates to the composition of surface rocks and sand.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact number of elements found in sand, with multiple competing views on the presence and stability of various elements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of which elements are present and in what quantities.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and classifications of elements, particularly regarding stability and natural occurrence. There are references to the complexities of elemental presence in geological contexts, which may affect the discussion.

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How many of the [ 92?] naturally occurring elements could be found in hand-full of sand ?.
Including those only present at minuscule , but measurable , amounts.

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Thanks Russ. I recently read of someone claiming that all the the natural elements would be present , but I wasn't sure if that was true.
 
B0b-A said:
How many of the [ 92?] naturally occurring elements could be found in hand-full of sand ?.
Including those only present at minuscule , but measurable , amounts.

320px-PismoBeachSand.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PismoBeachSand.JPG
I have read your post again and again and really have no idea what you would want to ask. What is [92?] ? Could you find any Documents about this yet ? No right ? o0)
 
Silicon Waffle said:
I have read your post again and again and really have no idea what you would want to ask. What is [92?] ? Could you find any Documents about this yet ? No right ? o0)
Well, how many naturally occurring elements do YOU think there are ? He did put a question mark with it and 92 certainly sounds about right.
 
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Silicon Waffle said:
I have read your post again and again and really have no idea what you would want to ask.
How many of the 92 naturally occurring elements could be found in hand-full of sand?

Elements 93+ are unstable and considered not naturally occurring.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
How many of the 92 naturally occurring elements could be found in hand-full of sand?

Elements 93+ are unstable and considered not naturally occurring.

Tc and Pr are unstable as well... Tc is also considered man-made.

I think there are only 81 stable elements: (everything below Bi, except for Tc and Pr). And that's going easy on Bi, which has a half-life of 1.9*10^10 Gyr...
 
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You're also going to have issues with Technetium, Promethium, Astatine, and Francium, which all are short-lived and rare. (Two of which were produced artificially). Neon is unlikely. I don't know what the concentration of platinum group elements in seawater is - I suspect that the sand contains no (or very little) iridium, for example.
 
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Iridium is one of the rarest, but it is indeed found in the Earth's crust (an over-abundance in some layers is how large metor impacts are identified), so I would assume that means in sand as well as dirt:
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Incidentally, I only count 78 elements there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium#Occurrence

This actually says 98 are found in nature, with some of the very rarer ones found as scarce decay products of naturally occurring uranium:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/elementfaqs/f/How-Many-Elements-Can-Be-Found-Naturally.htm
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Neon is unlikely ...
If the handful of sand contains some air, [ e.g. dissolved in water present ] , it will probably include some neon.
 
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Solubility of the noble gases in magma melts has been measured. Upon solidification, these elements will be encased within the crystal formation, and will be released either by diffusion to the surface, or weathering of the rock crystals into smaller structures.
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Since the surface crust has come from volcanic activity and outpouring of magma, analysis of the melts can reveal information of composition of the major elements(approx. 10) and trace( approx. 80) in surface rock, and fragments ( ie sand).

Read more at, for an insight to the chemical composition of magma melts and factors affecting composition.
http://www.imwa.info/geochemistry/Chapters/Chapter07.pdf

One important aspect to consider is partitioning and diffusion between phases.
http://serc.carleton.edu/NAGTWorkshops/mineralogy/mineral_physics/diffusion.html
 
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