How many external forces act on each dipole and why?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on two identical permanent dipoles aligned along the x-axis, specifically focusing on the external forces each dipole experiences due to the presence of the other dipole.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how many external forces act on each dipole, with some suggesting that each dipole experiences two external forces from the other dipole. Others question the interpretation of what constitutes an external force and whether forces from one dipole can be considered as acting on the other.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the nature of forces between the dipoles and questioning the assumptions made about external forces. There is a focus on understanding the interactions between the charges of the dipoles rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of external forces and the interactions between dipoles, with an emphasis on the electric fields produced by the dipoles and how they affect each other.

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Two identical permanent dipoles, each consisting of charges ##+q## and ##-q## separated by a distance ##s##, are aligned along the ##x## axis, a distance ##r## from each other, where ##r >> s.##

a. How many external forces act on each dipole?

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Columb's law

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For a, I got for each dipole only two external forces acts on them from the dipole next to them. So for the net external forces it will be four. But its wrong, why is that?
 
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How many external forces act on each dipole?

You have dipole A and dipole B. What external forces act on dipole A?

ehild
 
Dipole B will be an external force on A.
 
Dipole B is a dipole, not a force. And you wrote previously that it acts by two forces on dipole A. What are they?
B exerts two forces on dipole A, and also dipole A exerts two forces on dipole B. The question was the number of forces acting on one dipole, and it is the same for both dipoles. You can not add forces acting on different bodies.
ehild
 
So, the external force acting on dipole A will be the only the two charges making up dipole B?
 
Lee33 said:
So, the external force acting on dipole A will be the only the two charges making up dipole B?

The only external forces on dipole A will be the forces exerted on both its charges by the two charges, making up dipole B.
One dipole has its electric field http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Physics_Exercises/Electrostatics and you can determine the force on both charges of the other dipole in that field.

ehild
 
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