Calculating Torque and Work of an Electric Dipole in a Uniform External Field

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The problem involves calculating the torque and work done on an electric dipole in a uniform external electric field. The dipole consists of charges separated by a specified distance and is oriented in a particular direction before being rotated to different angles relative to the electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate angle θ to use in the torque equation, questioning the initial orientation of the dipole and how it relates to the electric field direction.
  • Some participants suggest drawing diagrams to visualize the problem better and clarify the angle between the dipole moment and the electric field.
  • There is confusion regarding the initial and final angles for calculating work done, with participants attempting to clarify the correct values to use.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the angles and the equations for torque and work. Some have confirmed their calculations for torque, while others are still seeking clarity on the work done calculation. There is no explicit consensus on the final angles, but productive dialogue is occurring regarding the interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide to one another. There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions of angles and their implications for the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


An electric dipole consists of +/- Q = 330nC separated by a distance of 1200nm. The dipole is initially oriented in the -i direction (along the negative x axis). The dipole is in a uniform external electric field of E=2500j N/C Determine the following:

a) The magnitude of the torque on the dipole when it is at +165° to the +x axis
b) The work done by the electric field to rotate the dipole to an angle of +110° to the +x-axis from its initial position

Homework Equations


|T| = |P| |E| sin θ
W = Uf-Ui

The Attempt at a Solution


I get what to plug into solve the problems, but the only issue I have is that I'm not sure what θ should be in these equations because I can't really visualize between what two vectors the angle is supposed to be between? When it says it's initially oriented in the -i direction, does that mean it has already rotated 180°? I'm confused.
 
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ooohffff said:
I'm confused.

draw a diagram and then it will be/can be seen how your confusion stands..
 
So for a) would theta be 165°-90°=75°?

And for b) would final theta be 110°-90°=20° and initial theta be 180°-90°=90°
 
ooohffff said:
So for a) would theta be 165°-90°=75°?

And for b) would final theta be 110°-90°=20° and initial theta be 180°-90°=90°

what is your theta angle ?
As you write the equation for Torque the angle theta seems to be angle between the dipole moment and electric field...
Initially your dipole moment is along -i direction and E is in j direction so are you turning the dipole through 75 degree...check from diagram.
post the diagram for us to see.
 
drvrm said:
are you turning the dipole through 75 degree...
No. Oriented at -i must mean at 180 degrees to the +x axis. It is then rotated to be at 110 degrees to the +x axis.
In part a) there is no actual rotation.
 
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ooohffff said:
So for a) would theta be 165°-90°=75°?
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Yes.
Okay, I did that and I got the right answer for a).

For b), plugging 20 degrees and 90 degrees didn't seem to work. Any ideas?
 
ooohffff said:
For b), plugging 20 degrees and 90 degrees didn't seem to work.
What are the starting and finishing angles in b)?
 
haruspex said:
What are the starting and finishing angles in b)?
Initial is 180, final is 110.
 
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ooohffff said:
Initial is 180, final is 110.
That's not the answer though...
 
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ooohffff said:
Initial is 180, final is 110.
the angle is between dipole moment and E and the work done in rotating a dipole through an elementary angular displacement should be torque times the angle say differential element of theta.
 
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drvrm said:
the angle is between dipole moment and E and the work done in rotating a dipole through an elementary angular displacement should be torque times the angle say differential element of theta.
Oh wait, the final angle is actually 20° (165°-90°) and the initial is 90°(180°-90°), like I said previously. I found something else in my problem that was wrong, and I got the right number. My work is negative, which makes sense because it is rotating clockwise to align with the electric field, right?
 
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