How many times will the energy in a choclate bar lift 100kg?

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The discussion revolves around the energy content of a chocolate bar and how many times it could theoretically lift a 100 kg weight through bench pressing. Participants explore the calculations involved, the efficiency of human biomechanics, and the energy expenditure during lifting and lowering the weight.

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  • One participant notes that the chocolate bar contains 1000 kJ of energy and seeks to understand how many times they could lift 100 kg using that energy.
  • Another participant provides a formula for calculating the work done in lifting a mass, suggesting that the work done is given by mgh, where m is mass, g is gravitational acceleration, and h is the height lifted.
  • A calculation is presented estimating that lifting 100 kg to a height of 0.5 m requires approximately 490 J per lift, leading to a theoretical requirement of over 2000 lifts based on the energy content of the chocolate bar.
  • Participants discuss the inefficiencies of the human body during exercise, noting that actual energy expenditure is higher than the theoretical calculations due to metabolic factors.
  • One participant introduces the idea that powerlifters train for efficiency, while bodybuilders may intentionally use less efficient techniques to target specific muscles.
  • There is a query about the energy involved in lowering the weight, with some suggesting it could be considered equal to the energy used in lifting.
  • Another participant argues that the work done during the lowering phase is negative work, leading to a total work done of zero for a complete lift and lower cycle.
  • Disagreement arises regarding the implications of negative work and the overall efficiency of the lifting process.

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Participants express differing views on the energy dynamics of lifting and lowering weights, particularly regarding the concept of negative work and its implications for total energy expenditure. There is no consensus on how to account for the energy used in the lowering phase or the overall efficiency of the lifting process.

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Participants acknowledge various assumptions, such as the height lifted and the efficiency of human biomechanics, which may affect the calculations and conclusions drawn. The discussion remains open to interpretation and refinement.

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Just munching away on my choclate and notice it has energy 1000kj on the packet. To stop me getting fat, how many times would i have to lift 100kg. Bench pressing it.
Probably a few more variables needed i guess. Or is there a formula you can start me off with?
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Well, the work you do lifting a mass m a height h in the Earth's gravitational field would be given by mgh. The listance you lift the mass would be the length of your arm, I dunno, 3/4 of a meter of so. You could generalize this to lifting the mass N times and say the total work you do would be N(mgh). Note, however, that this is an upper limit to how much work you would have to do. In reality, anyone who has ever bench-pressed weight knows that it would be exhausting to simply hold the weight above them, even though physically no work is being done. Basically, humans are imperfect machines, but it's a nice estimate you can do. :)
 
Hi budd. If you calculate this purely on the output energy in lifting 100kg then you're likely to get disillusioned with exercise. But like Nabeshin said, this is an upper limit, and actually not all that realistic. Anyway let's do the calculations.

Each press is only about 50cm (0.5m) so the energy output per lift 0.5*9.8*100 = 490 J per rep. Now 1000kJ is 1000,000 J, so theoretically you need to do over 2000 reps!

In reality however your body uses far more energy in this process than that given as theoretical output power. Your heart and lungs are working harder and this also uses a lot of energy. Also your basal metabolic rate rises and in fact generally remains higher for several hours after you complete your workout. So even if you're chillin' on the couch watching telly an hour or more later you're still burning off more kJ than would have been the case if you hadn't done the workout at all.
 
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Great answers guys. thank you.
 
Another little wrinkle, budd: powerlifters in the gym train themselves to hoist as much mass as possible with the least effort on their part. They are super-efficient, and sometimes are overweight by normal standards. Body-builders, on the other hand, tend to make their exercises inefficient in order to target the muscles that they want to stress and develop. Those groups are extremes. Normal folks generally lie somewhere in between.
 
Ok. the 2000 doesn't count for the energy used when the weight is on the way down. I'm guessing this would maybe about half as much as on the way up. Is there a way of working the down bit of the rep out also?

thanks
 
budd said:
Ok. the 2000 doesn't count for the energy used when the weight is on the way down. I'm guessing this would maybe about half as much as on the way up. Is there a way of working the down bit of the rep out also?

thanks

The work you do on the bar on the way down is the same if we assume that you lower it slowly (constant speed) and don't let it drop directly on your neck .:biggrin:
 
ahh.. so taking into account it's the same energy to lower the bar as raise it. we are still going to get just over 1000 reps per bar. excluding all other variables?
That seems a lot of energy from a little choclate bar. Good stuff.
 
No, theoretically you are doing negative work on the bar on the way down so the total work done in one full rep(etition) is zero.

So, as before, the whole thing really boils down to just how biomechanically inefficient the whole process is.
 
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uart said:
No, theoretically you are doing negative work on the bar on the way down so the total work done in one full rep(etition) is zero.

Theoretically the work done by your muscles is not a conservative force.
 

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