How many times will the particle stop in an hour?

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a particle described by a vector function, with a focus on determining the path it takes and the conditions under which it stops. The subject area includes kinematics and trigonometric functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the particle's position and its stopping conditions, questioning the transition from trigonometric equations to the parabolic path. There are discussions on when the particle stops, with references to velocity and derivatives.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different interpretations of the stopping conditions and the implications of the equations involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct conditions for stopping, but there is no consensus on the final interpretation or calculation of how many times the particle stops in an hour.

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There are mentions of potential typos in the equations provided, which may affect the understanding of the problem. Participants are also considering the implications of the periodic nature of the trigonometric functions involved.

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a particle move according to the vector
[tex]\vec{r}[/tex]=3cos[tex]^{2}[/tex](6t)[tex]\hat{x}[/tex]-5sin([tex]\frac{PI}{6}[/tex]t)[tex]\hat{y}[/tex]

what is the formula for the route it takes, y(x)? when will the particle stop and how many times will it stop in an hour??

i said, the vectors in the direction x and y
x(t)=3cos[tex]^{2}[/tex]6t=3(1-sin[tex]^{2}[/tex]6t)
y(t)=-2sin6t
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sin6t=[tex]\frac{-y}{2}[/tex]

x=3(1-([tex]\frac{-y}{2}[/tex])[tex]^{2}[/tex])
x(y)=3-[tex]\frac{3}{4}[/tex]y[tex]^{2}[/tex]

this course is a parabula lying on its side, (minus infinity) on its x-axis with its maximum at Max(3,0)

to find out when the particle stops i say
the particle will stop when the parabula peaks-- [tex]\frac{dx}{dy}[/tex]=0
x(y)=3-0.75y[tex]^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx}{dy}[/tex]=-1.5y
y=0
the particle will stop every time y=0
y(t)=-2sin(6t)=0
sin(6t)=0
6t=[tex]PI[/tex]*K
t=[tex]\frac{PI}{6}[/tex]*K (K being a positive whole number)

does this mean that the particle will stop every [tex]\frac{PI}{6}[/tex] seconds??

how can this be, since the route the particle moves on is a parabula and doesn't peak more than once, i realize that where i have misunderstood something is in the transition from the trigonometric equations x(t) and x(y) which repeat themselves to the parabula x(y).
 
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devanlevin said:
a particle move according to the vector
[tex]\vec{r}[/tex]=3cos[tex]^{2}[/tex](6t)[tex]\hat{x}[/tex]-5sin([tex]\frac{PI}{6}[/tex]t)[tex]\hat{y}[/tex]

what is the formula for the route it takes, y(x)? when will the particle stop and how many times will it stop in an hour??

i said, the vectors in the direction x and y
x(t)=3cos[tex]^{2}[/tex]6t=3(1-sin[tex]^{2}[/tex]6t)
y(t)=-2sin6t
Careful
 
sorry, the -5sin...was a typo, , meant to be -2sin(6t)y like i wrote in all the calculations
 
devanlevin said:
sorry, the -5sin...was a typo, , meant to be -2sin(6t)y like i wrote in all the calculations
What about the [itex]\pi/6[/itex] in the question? Was that a typo as well?
 
correct equation is r=3cos^2(6t)x-2sin(6t)y
but that doesn't really make a diffeerence to what I am asking, its more of a technical question, the end result as a number isn't of that much importance,,,
after reading over what i wrote i now think that i was wrong, and that the particle will stop when |v|=0 meaning when cos(6t)=0
6t=PI/2 +PI*K
t=PI/12 + (PI/6)*K

from this how do i know how many times it will stop in an hour??
 
The particle doesn't stop when

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=0[/tex]

Rather, it stops when

[tex]\frac{d\bold{r}}{dt}=0[/tex]
 
thats essentially what i did by saying Vx=0 and Vy=0

but then i get to t=PI/12 + (PI/6)*K how do i translate that into how many times it will stop in an hour
 

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