How Many Turns Does a Proton Make in a Solenoid?

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The problem involves calculating the number of turns a proton makes while traveling through a solenoid. The scenario includes a solenoid with 10,000 turns, a specified length, and a current, with the proton's velocity vector at an angle to the magnetic field. Participants are tasked with determining the turns completed by the proton over a distance L, the time for each turn, and the total time for the journey.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss finding the magnetic field inside the solenoid and the implications of the proton's motion in a magnetic field. There are attempts to derive the period of motion and the radius of the circular path, with some questioning the use of the solenoid's length in calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided equations and methods for calculating the magnetic field and the period of motion, while others express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the correct parameters to use.

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Participants are working with specific values for velocity and length based on a coding system related to the first letter of their names. There is also a focus on the angle of the velocity vector and its effect on the motion of the proton within the magnetic field.

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Hello,

The question of the problem is: Solenoid, calculate laps of a proton?

Someone could help me solve this exercise, but I try not to do this achievement . Would appreciate your help . This is the information that I provided to do the exercise:

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A proton with velocity v inside a solenoid of 10,000 laps , Long L and 1 A current (see figure) is triggered. The proton velocity vector has an angle of 40 ° with respect to the magnetic field direction . Calculate the turns while supplementing the proton travels a distance L , the time to complete each lap and total time T to travel L.

The values ​​of the magnitude of the velocity ( in m / s ) and the length of the coil ( L in m) chosen according to the first letter of your name using the following code :
A- 10 B- 20 C- 30 D -40 E -50 F- 60 G -70 H-80 ...
N -140 O- ​​150 P -160 Q -170 R -180 S -190 U - 200 U -210 V -220 W -230 ...

If your name is Domingo Pérez then v = 40 m / s and L = 160 m . If your name will begin with the same letter then use the number of the next letter to the family name. So if your name is Candido Colón use v = 30 m / s and L = 40 m .

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I try so many times to solve the problems, but for me is impossible to solve, i really appreciate all the help.
 
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Ok, well the first thing to do will be to find the magnetic field inside the solenoid:
##B = \mu_{0}in##, where ##n = \frac{turns}{length}##

Then since the proton moves across field lines, it'll go into circular motion, so think of these equations:
##F_{r} = ma_{r} = m\frac{v^{2}}{r}##

Remember that only the vertical component of the velocity will cause the circular motion.

So from there you can find the period of the motion, pitch of the helix, etc.
 
Data:

Turns: 10,000
Lenght: 180m
Electic current: 1A
Velocity vector: 40°
Magnitude of the velocity: 100 m/s

This is what it got at the moment:

n=\frac{10,000}{180}
n=55.6m

B=(4πx10^{-7}T*m/A)(1A)(55.6m)
B=6.99x10^{-5}

Now i need to Calculate the turns the proton complete while it travels a distance L, the time to complete each turn T and the total time to travel L.

I don't have any clue, someone can give a help to approach the problem?

I aprreciate your help, thank you guys.
 
Well, try starting with the period, T. Period is defined as: ##T = \frac{2\pi r}{v}##, which is just the circumference of the circular path divided by the speed, so can you solve for T from here?
 
Well, i don't have r. But i saw a video in which they calculate R in the following way:

R=(lenght/2∏)
R=(180m/2∏)
R= 28.65

T= \frac{(2∏)(28.65)}{100}
T=1.80

Turns: 10,000
Lenght: 180m
Electic current: 1A
Velocity vector: 40°
Magnitude of the velocity: 100 m/s

Im not sure if the calculates are correct :(
 
Well, r is the radius of the circular path (which will be a helix), so you don't want to use the 180m -- that's the length of the solenoid, not the circumference of anything. Look at the equation for circular motion I posted above -- you can solve for the radius from that.

Also, since the particle is launched at an angle, it won't be the entire magnitude that goes into creating the circular path -- it will only be the component that's perpendicular to the field (since magnetic fields only act on things moving perpendicularly to them). So that's where the angle comes into play. The component that's instead parallel to the field is responsible for moving the particle down the solenoid, and pulling the circular path out into a helix.
 

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