How Many Ways to Select Elements in a 6x5 Array with Constraints?

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The discussion revolves around selecting elements from a 6x5 array with the constraint that no two selected elements can be in the same row or column. Participants are exploring the application of the Fundamental Counting Principle in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different methods for counting the selections, including the initial approach using the Fundamental Counting Principle and the implications of selecting rows and columns independently.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being considered. Some participants have provided alternative calculations and are questioning the assumptions underlying their methods. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for the order of selections and the implications of the constraints.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the provided solutions, highlighting confusion around the counting methods and the constraints of the problem. There is a recognition of the need to select distinct elements while adhering to the row and column restrictions.

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1. Given a 6x5 array of unique elements, how many ways can three elements be selected so that no two are in the same row or column?



2. Fundamental Counting Principle?



3. This question was a sample question in the Actuary P1 exam prep I am reviewing. I thought it would be easy enough to use Counting Principle to determine the solution. So, the set of your first choice has 30 elements. Since this eliminates exactly one row and column, the set of your second choice only contains the remaining 4x5 array with 20 elements. And so on to get 12 elements for the third choice. Using FCP to determine the total number of combinations SHOULD therefore yield a solution of 7200. However, the provided solution for this question from the exam prep is different. What have I overlooked?
 
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gummyshark said:
1. Given a 6x5 array of unique elements, how many ways can three elements be selected so that no two are in the same row or column?



2. Fundamental Counting Principle?



3. This question was a sample question in the Actuary P1 exam prep I am reviewing. I thought it would be easy enough to use Counting Principle to determine the solution. So, the set of your first choice has 30 elements. Since this eliminates exactly one row and column, the set of your second choice only contains the remaining 4x5 array with 20 elements. And so on to get 12 elements for the third choice. Using FCP to determine the total number of combinations SHOULD therefore yield a solution of 7200. However, the provided solution for this question from the exam prep is different. What have I overlooked?


I also get something very different from your 7200; I just chose the rows and columns independently. What answer was provided in the solution you saw?
 
The given solution is 1200. What do you mean by selecting rows and columns independently? I don't really understand what is wrong with the way I approached this problem; could you maybe elaborate on what was wrong with my "solution."
 
gummyshark said:
The given solution is 1200. What do you mean by selecting rows and columns independently? I don't really understand what is wrong with the way I approached this problem; could you maybe elaborate on what was wrong with my "solution."

The provided solution is yours divided by 6 = 3!, and so recognizes that the three choices can be in any order; in other words, you are counting the same choice several times, because the concepts of "first", "second" and "third" are not really relevant.

However, what is particularly frustrating is that I get an answer of 200, because we need to select 3 rows from 6 and 3 columns from 5, giving a total of ##_3C^6 \, _3C^5 = (20)(10) = 200## distinct choices. At the moment I cannot see anything wrong with either argument! I am hoping my morning caffeine kicks in soon.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
However, what is particularly frustrating is that I get an answer of 200, because we need to select 3 rows from 6 and 3 columns from 5, giving a total of ##_3C^6 \, _3C^5 = (20)(10) = 200## distinct choices.

That selects the 9 elements in the three rows and three columns, not 3 elements.

You didn't use the fact that "no two elements are in the same row or column". There are 3! ways of choosing the 3 elements from the 9 (3 choices from the first row, 2 from the second row, 1 from the third), which gives 200 x 6 = 1200 choices.
 
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Ok, yes I think this answers my question! Thanks, all.
 

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