How Much Current Should Flow Through My Electromagnet Experiment?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current flowing through an electromagnet made from a solenoid using copper wire. The initial calculation suggested an implausible current of 300 A, raising concerns about safety and feasibility. Participants emphasized the importance of considering the internal resistance of the power source, specifically two D batteries, which significantly affects the actual current. After recalculating with internal resistance in mind, a more realistic current of 14 A was determined, expected to decrease over time. The conversation highlights the need for accurate resistance calculations in electromagnet experiments.
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Homework Statement


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I am working on a lab report regarding the creation of an electromagnet using an iron core solenoid (just a nail wrapped with copper insulated wire). Before continuing with the creation of the electromagnet, I had to answer some questions regarding my knowledge of electromagnets.

One of those questions is asking how much current would be flowing through the electromagnet.

I know that the voltage is 3 volts, I am probably going to use about 0.5 meters of enameled 24 AWG copper wire.

Homework Equations



V = IR

R = ρL/A

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt at this problem was simple. I thought that the only resistance would be the copper wire. To find the current, I used the equation:

I = (VA)/(ρL)

The problem I really had was that my value for current was close 300 A. I was worried to continue with the experiment knowing that 300 A are going through the wire. Am I missing something here? Is there some resistance I am not taking into account? Should I be using more wire?

I think the solution is to use much much more wire to create more resistance (maybe 5 m?), I just wanted to check if I'm right.
 
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lekh2003 said:
Is there some resistance I am not taking into account?
What power source are you using? Dry cells?
You should consider the internal resistance of the cell. It would be more than the copper resistance.
 
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cnh1995 said:
What power source are you using? Dry cells?
You should consider the internal resistance of the cell. It would be more than the copper resistance.

I'm using two D batteries in a generic D battery holder. How much internal resistance would a D battery have? (The battery is unused)
 
lekh2003 said:
I was worried to continue with the experiment knowing that 300 A are going through the wire. Am I missing something here? Is there some resistance I am not taking into account? Should I be using more wire?
You won't be able to keep the current flowing for long if it is a few amperes (forget 300A). The battery will quickly discharge. I believe these batteries are supposed to be used with electronic circuitry, where the current is of the order of a few mA.
 
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cnh1995 said:
You won't be able to keep the current flowing for long if it is a few amperes (forget 300A). The battery will quickly discharge. I believe these batteries are supposed to be used with electronic circuitry, where the current is of the order of a few mA.

I get it now, I can reason that the initial current calculation is not a representation of the entire experiment. I have done my calculations accounting for internal resistance and have gotten 14 A, which I can expect to decrease with time to an order of mA.

Thanks
 
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