How Much Distilled Water to Add for Dilution Using c1v1 = c2v2?

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The discussion revolves around the dilution of a sodium carbonate solution using the equation c1v1 = c2v2. Participants explore how to identify the variables c1, v1, c2, and v2 in the context of a homework problem involving a 1.5 M solution being diluted to 0.5 M.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about identifying c1, v1, c2, and v2 due to varying question wording and seeks clarification on the rules governing these variables.
  • Another participant suggests a method of labeling the solutions to simplify the identification of variables, proposing that the concentrated solution be labeled as "1" and the diluted solution as "2".
  • A different perspective emphasizes that many quantitative chemistry problems can be approached as simple arithmetic proportions, suggesting that adding twice the volume of water (500 ml) would achieve the desired dilution.
  • One participant clarifies that while c1 and c2 cannot be used interchangeably, consistency in using the indices is crucial, indicating that c1 and v1 must describe the same solution, and c2 and v2 must describe the other.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to identify the variables or the method for calculating the dilution, indicating multiple competing views on the topic.

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There is an acknowledgment of the potential for confusion in the wording of problems and the need for consistent labeling of variables, but no specific assumptions or definitions are resolved.

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Homework Statement



Determine how much distilled water must be added to 250 ml of a 1.5 M solution of Na2CO3 to dilute it to a concentraion of 0.5 M.

Homework Equations


c1v1=c2v2

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I'm having trouble understanding how to identify c1,v1,c2, and v2, especially since every question is worded differently. My guess is that v1 = 250mL, c1 = 1.5 M, and c2 = 0.5 M. And we're solving for v2...? My teacher didn't explain this very well so is there any rule for this law? Because for example I know that c1 and c2 can't be used interchangeably so how do I know which is c1 and which is c2?
 
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Just pick a subscript number to identify each solution (meaning each liquid).

Let the starting, more concentrated solution be "1", and the diluted solution be "2".
The concentrated starting solution is C1=1.5 molar, V1=0.25 liters.
The diluted solution is C2=0.5 molar, V2=0.25 liters + Q.
I'm choosing Q to be the volume of water to add to the 250 ml. of stock Na2CO3 solution to make the dilution.

The process of planning runs that way because the objective is to make a dilution; thinking of it this way is just easier for ME. If you wanted, you could just use C1V1=C2V2 as you did, but then you'd finish by finding the difference in volume.
 
So many of the quantitative questions in elementary chemistry are just arithmetic simple proportion I am often surprised by how heavy weather many students make of them. My guess is that it is because students segment knowledge. One thing comes up in arithmetic lessons and the same thing in chemistry lessons, and they are thought to have nothing to do with each other.

You are asked to make a solution one third as concentrated as before by adding water. So you make the volume containing the stuff three times what it was before - add twice the volume of water, that is 500ml.

Simples.

You can also use a formula.
 
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Because for example I know that c1 and c2 can't be used interchangeably so how do I know which is c1 and which is c2?

Usually we use C1V1 for the solution that is being diluted and C2V2 for the solution after dilution. But it doesn't matter. All that matters is that you are consistent in using indexes. C1 and V1 must describe the same solution (be it final or the one being diluted) and C2 & V2 must describe the other solution.
 

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