How much do these type of flaps increase drag?

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The discussion revolves around the increase in drag coefficient associated with single-slotted Fowler-type flaps on an aerofoil. Participants explore theoretical models, empirical data, and the implications of flap deflection angles on drag, focusing on both the mathematical formulation and practical considerations in aerodynamics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference McCormick's approximation for the increment in wing drag as a function of flap deflection angle, suggesting it is based on various airfoil analyses.
  • There is a question regarding whether the flap angle is represented by sin(theta) and how to apply the change in drag coefficient to the original drag of the aerofoil.
  • Participants discuss the validity of the approximation at high deflection angles, with some expressing skepticism about flow separation affecting drag at angles approaching 90 degrees.
  • One participant notes that the equation may apply to a wing rather than a wing section and raises concerns about its applicability without accounting for wingspan or flap extension.
  • There is a discussion about the interaction effects between the wing and fuselage on total drag, with a proposed linear model structure for simplification.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the significance of the surface area ratio in the drag approximation and its relationship to the chord ratio.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of analytical models for lift at high angles of attack, suggesting that flap deflection does not equate to angle of attack.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the drag approximation at high deflection angles, and multiple competing views regarding the applicability of the equations and assumptions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the linear model assumptions, the need for further clarification on the surface area ratio, and the unresolved nature of how flap deflection interacts with angle of attack and flow separation.

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by how much will single-slotted Fowler-type flaps increase the drag coefficient of an aerofoil?
 
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McCormick [1] mentions, that the increment in wing drag [itex]\Delta C_D[/itex] for a slotted flap as function of flap deflection angle [itex]\delta[/itex] is given approximately by
[tex] \Delta C_D = 0.9 (c_f / c)^{1.38} (S_f / S) sin^2 \delta[/tex]
where cf/c is the flap to wing cord ratio and Sf/S is the flap to wing surface ratio. He does not specify the source of this approximation, but I presume it is based on theoretical and practical analysis of various combinations of NACA airfoils and flap types.

[1] Aerodynamics, Aeronautics and Flight Mechanics, 2nd ed., McCormick, Wiley, 1995.
 
thanks, just what I am looking for...
is sin theta the flap angle?
it says the change in drag coeffcient is equal to, so do i add this on to the original drag of the aerofoil?
 
lukus09 said:
is sin theta the flap angle?

Theta is the deflection angle, with theta = 0 meaning fully retracted. The maximum angle depend on the precise construction but the given approximation should be valid up to 90 degrees, I believe. McCormick notes that the optimal (maximum CL for wing+flap) deflection angle is around 40 degrees for single slot flaps. For other types the value is different.

lukus09 said:
it says the change in drag coeffcient is equal to, so do i add this on to the original drag of the aerofoil?

Yes, you add the flaps drag to the total drag coefficient you have for the airfoil wing, or plane in question.

I may also add, that McCormick gives similar drag expression for plain flaps where only the initial factor is different (1.7 instead of 0.9). This suggests that you in general can model drag for a specific flap construction by fitting that factor to measured drag (like if you have CD for a plane at various flap deflection angles).
 
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if the flaps are fully retracted and theta is equal 0 that would mean the equation is equal to 0? is sin^2(theta) a trig identity? why am i get syntax error on calculator?
 
Note, that [itex]\sin^2 \theta[/itex] or [itex]\sin^2(\theta)[/itex] is short-hand notation for [itex](\sin \theta )^2[/itex] or [itex](\sin(\theta))^2[/itex]. Its a very common notation, especially with trigonometric functions.
 
You need to know fuselage aerodynamics before calculating flap affects.
 
How can that equation be valid at such large angles? I would expect flow separation to come into play long before you reach 90 degrees of deflection.
 
Brian_C said:
How can that equation be valid at such large angles? I would expect flow separation to come into play long before you reach 90 degrees of deflection.

I can only comment that McCormick have plots of measured and theoretical values up to 90 degrees with no (visible) discontinuities and that this approximation is for the drag coefficient, not the lift which would be a different matter. That said, I too would be surprised if the approximation were to be just as accurate at 90 degree as at, say, 10, but that is just a hunch. And who would want to allow flap deflection over, say, 40 degrees anyway.
 
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filiplarsen said:
I can only comment that McCormick have plots of measured and theoretical values up to 90 degrees with no (visible) discontinuities and that this approximation is for the drag coefficient, not the lift which would be a different matter.

Typically it is the drag curves that are in error, not the lift (because of the estimation of drag due to shear stresses). So if the drag agrees well, the lift is probably very good too. The equation you provided is interesting. It appears to apply to a wing, not a wing section, but doesn't account for wingspan, or how far outboard the flaps extend. So, use with caution.
 
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Chronos said:
You need to know fuselage aerodynamics before calculating flap affects.

Yes and no. We need to clear up some general misconceptions here in several of the posts. There is an aerodynamic interaction effect between the wing and fuselage. As a result, the total drag can be written as:

[tex]C_D= C_D_{wing}+C_D_{fuse}+C_D_{inter}[/tex]​
[1]​

Note, I have assumed a linear model structure for the simplicity, which may not be valid. We can break down the wing drag as:

[tex]C_D_{wing} = C_D_0 + \Delta C_D_{flap}[/tex]​
[2]​

where the first term is the wing in a clean configuration. Again, I assumed the model is linear for the sake of this example. So one then needs to know two things:

-(a) How well is the linear perturbation assumption in Eq. [2] valid?

-(b) Does the interaction drag in Eq. [1] change significantly due to the perturbation?

Note also, that while not explicitly shown, the values in Eqs. [1,2] are generally a function of angle of attack, sideslip, and airspeed.

If the aspect ratio of the wings are large, then one can approximate the increase in drag based on sectional data from any good source, such as Ref. [1], and assume the perturbation found in the table applies to the entire wing.

References
[1] Theory of Wing Sections, Abbot and Von Doenhoff, Dover Press, 1959.
 
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Cyrus said:
Typically it is the drag curves that are in error, not the lift (because of the estimation of drag due to shear stresses). So if the drag agrees well, the lift is probably very good too.

By "lift ... would be a different matter" I was referring to CL for simple unflapped airfoils not having an accurate analytical model for AoA above the AoA for maximum CL. There you would not expect such analytical models to be valid for high AoA.

Another point to make to argue for the validity of high deflection angles in the approximation, could be to say, that the flap deflection angle is not the same as angle of attack and that high deflection angles not necessarily imply equally high AoA for the flap airfoil since it lives in the downstream from the wing airfoil.

Cyrus said:
The equation you provided is interesting.
It appears to apply to a wing, not a wing section, but doesn't account for wingspan, or how far outboard the flaps extend. So, use with caution.

I must admit, after thinking about it I am not sure what the surface area ratio Sf/S signifies that is different from the chord ratio, as the surface area ratio is not present in any other analytical or measured relationships McCormick presents in his section on flaps whereas the cord ratio surely is.

It seems to me that this approximation is somehow extended to apply to a wing sections that include both flapped and unflapped parts, but if that then means the surface area ratio should be set equal to the chord ratio when applying the approximation for a flapped airfoil, I don't know. And this also seems to imply that flapped sections induce drag on unflapped sections which, in general, doesn't make sense.

I see that Theory of Wing Sections (which McCormick references for some of his airfoil data) has some drag data that maybe could be used to verify this drag approximation.
 
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filiplarsen said:
By "lift ... would be a different matter" I was referring to CL for simple unflapped airfoils not having an accurate analytical model for AoA above the AoA for maximum CL. There you would not expect such analytical models to be valid for high AoA.

Another point to make to argue for the validity of high deflection angles in the approximation, could be to say, that the flap deflection angle is not the same as angle of attack and that high deflection angles not necessarily imply equally high AoA for the flap airfoil since it lives in the downstream from the wing airfoil.

Ah, I see what you meant now - quite right.

I see that Theory of Wing Sections (which McCormick references for some of his airfoil data) has some drag data that maybe could be used to verify this drag approximation.

That is an excellent point.
 

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