How Much Gas Leaked from the Tank?

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The problem involves a gas leak from a tank with a fixed volume of 0.0800 m3, initially filled with an ideal gas at a pressure of 4.00 atmospheres and a temperature of 48.0° C. After some gas leaks out, the pressure drops to 3.20 atmospheres at a temperature of 20.0° C. The original poster seeks to determine how much gas has leaked from the tank.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial number of moles of gas and considers using the ideal gas law to find the final number of moles after the leak. They express confusion over obtaining a final volume greater than the initial volume, which seems illogical given the context of a leak.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on the final number of moles using the known final pressure, volume, and temperature, while questioning the assumption that the number of moles remains constant during the leak.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the final volume of gas in the tank, with participants clarifying that the volume remains that of the tank despite the leak.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem without reaching a consensus. Clarifications about the nature of gas volume in a container and the implications of a leak are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the gas fills the entire volume of the container, and there is a focus on understanding the implications of the leak on the number of moles of gas remaining in the tank.

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Homework Statement



A tank with a fixed volume of 0.0800 m3 is filled with an ideal gas at a pressure of 4.00 atmospheres and a temperature of 48.0° C. Due to a small leak, some of the gas leaks out. Later it is found that the pressure in the tank is 3.20 atmospheres when the temperature is 20.0° C. How much of the gas leaked from the tank?

Homework Equations



PV=nRT -> n=PV/RT

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for the initial number of moles using the initial values
n= [(405.2E3 Pa)(0.08m3)]/[(8.314 J/mol*K)(321K)]=12.1463 mol

I thought I could get the final volume by using
(P1*V1)/T1 = (P2*V2)/T2

and after I obtain V2, I thought I could get the number of moles so that i could plug it into n=PV/RT to get the final number of moles left

and then use the initial numbers of moles and subtract the numbers of moles left in order to give me the # of moles that escaped.

But ofcourse, the answer I came up with was ridiculous. I had a higher V2 than V1, which ofcourse doesn't make sense when some of the gas supposedly leaked out into the environment. Please help! Any & all help is much appreciated! Thank you in advance for your time...

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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You are just interested in knowing the number of moles of gas still in the tank - so that is the final volume. Since you know the final P, V and T, just determine the final n from that.

You can only use PV/T = constant (=nR) if n is constant. But n is obviously not constant in this case.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Since you know the final P, V and T, just determine the final n from that.

Even though some of the gas leaked out into the environment, the final Volume of the gas remains as 0.08 m3? Is this what you mean by knowing the final Volume?
 
format1998 said:
Even though some of the gas leaked out into the environment, the final Volume of the gas remains as 0.08 m3? Is this what you mean by knowing the final Volume?
Yes. The pressure and temperature given (3.2 atm and 20C) is of the gas that is left in the tank after the leak occurs.

AM
 
format1998 said:
Even though some of the gas leaked out into the environment, the final Volume of the gas remains as 0.08 m3?

You certainly have learned that the gas always fills the whole space available in the container. Gases do not have own volume: The volume is that of the container.

ehild
 
Thank you to both of you :)
 

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