How much more energy does it take to melt circular glass that is half the size?

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The discussion revolves around the energy required to melt circular glass pieces of different sizes, specifically comparing a piece with a diameter of 1/8 inch to one with a diameter of 1/16 inch. Participants explore the implications of size, thickness, and the physical properties of glass on the melting process, touching on theoretical and practical aspects of melting glass.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether crushing a piece of glass to a smaller diameter would require less energy to melt the same weight of material.
  • Another participant asserts that the energy required to melt the glass remains the same, but suggests that thinner glass may melt faster due to reduced thickness.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that compressing glass to a smaller volume could increase the melting temperature, potentially requiring more energy to melt it, depending on the definition of "crush."
  • It is proposed that the ability of glass molecules to move freely affects melting; increased compression may hinder this movement, impacting melting behavior.
  • A participant inquires about the significance of melting time and whether longer residence time in a furnace could lead to energy savings, seeking clarification on this assumption.
  • Clarification is provided that the glass would not be compressed but rather shattered into smaller pieces while maintaining the same density.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between size, thickness, and energy required for melting glass. There is no consensus on whether smaller pieces require less energy or if compression affects melting temperature.

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Discussions include assumptions about the physical properties of glass, such as melting temperature and glass transition temperature, which may depend on definitions and conditions not fully explored in the thread.

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I would like to figure out if I take a circular piece of glass that is about 1/8 inch in diameter and crush it to 1/16 of an inch in diameter will I be able to use less energy to melt the same weight of material?
 
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No, the energy required is the same. But since most of the energy of the flame is blown into the air that doesn't really matter. So you might melt the glas faster if it is not as thick. In a well insulated furnace for example the thickness should not really matter.
 
I would go one step further and say that it may require more energy to melt, depending on what you mean by crush.

If your glass has a volume and you compress it to a smaller volume, then the glass transition and melting temperature will actually increase. Conceptually, you can just think of how liquid glass has a larger volume than solid glass.
If then you compressed more, you would need a higher temperature to melt.

Another way to look at is is that glass flows when the molecules making it up can move freely past each other. By compressing the glass, you are actually limiting the ability of the molecules to move. Thus sufficient compression will keep it glass when it might normally melt.

This can become pretty important with glassy polymers. I've included an example for polyethylene. You can see that under higher pressures the glass transition temperature (the point where the volume starts increasing rapidly) increases. The melting point (the next time the graph slope changes) is also increased.If instead of compress, you simply meant reform it into a new shape, then DEADBEEF is correct. It will melt faster (heat does not conduct through glass well, so a larger surface area will absorb heat much more rapidly) but the total energy required under ideal circumstances remains the same.
 

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To deadbeef response:would the melting time of the glass be considered critical. I believe if there is an increase in residence time I would be able to use less energy. Let me know if this assumption is correct and if there is a way to calculate the savings. The typical residence time in the furnace is 24 hours.

To jagedlion response: The glass would not be compressed, it would be simply shatered or broken into smaller pieces with the same density.

Thank you for your response
 
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