How much petrol does a car consume?

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The discussion centers on estimating the amount of petrol required for a car to travel a specific distance, considering various factors such as energy content of petrol, vehicle weight, speed, and fuel efficiency. Participants explore both theoretical calculations and practical measurement approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests weighing fuel before and after a trip as a practical method to determine consumption.
  • Another participant mentions that theoretical calculations should consider the work needed to move the car and engine efficiency.
  • A participant provides a specific fuel efficiency rating for a Toyota Yaris, indicating practical experience.
  • One post emphasizes that the ideal energy needed could be zero if returning to the same altitude, highlighting the importance of losses in real scenarios.
  • Another participant argues that the question cannot be answered definitively without considering factors like aerodynamic drag, rolling resistance, and engine efficiency, which vary by vehicle.
  • Several participants note that practical tests or manufacturer ratings may yield the best answers for fuel consumption.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to estimate petrol consumption, with some favoring practical measurement and others leaning towards theoretical calculations. There is no consensus on a definitive method or answer to the original question.

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Limitations include the dependence on various factors such as vehicle condition, driving conditions, and assumptions about efficiency that are not specified in the original question.

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So, I wanted to figure out how much energy is needed to drive my car ...

A car weighing 1000 kg, moving at 50km/h travels 10 miles. If the energy content of petrol is about 30 MJ/L, how much petrol do I need?

What's the answer?
 
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Welcome to PF;
That's a pretty good question.

There are a few ways to go about the calculation - but the best way is probably to weigh the fuel before and after the trip.
You could take a shorter trip or use a smaller fixed amount of fuel.

A theoretical calculation would find the work to move that distance (so you need the force) and adjust for the efficiency of the engine.
You can estimate by looking up your car's fuel efficiency in miles per gallon and dividing the miles by the efficiency.

Ultimately it depends on what you need the calculation for ...
 
my Toyota Yaris ( 1300cc) on open road steady cruising at 100 km/hr is rated at 5.8 litres / 100km
 
Chemical135 said:
So, I wanted to figure out how much energy is needed to drive my car ...

A car weighing 1000 kg, moving at 50km/h travels 10 miles. If the energy content of petrol is about 30 MJ/L, how much petrol do I need?

What's the answer?
This is a sort of circular exercise which could be very informative and it is best suited to a practical (measurement) approach rather than a theoretical one - you never know the best place to start.
I assume you already have an idea of the fuel economy of your vehicle.
On a level road and at constant speed, the only energy needed is to overcome losses. The ideal answer, without losses, is Zero if you return to the same altitude you started from. (No overall work done, except against the brakes when you slow down at the end.)
You could get an idea of the forces (hence the work) involved, you could try towing the car (in neutral) behind another vehicle, with a strong Force meter. That would give a good idea of the energy the engine is supplying. You would then need to relate this to the fuel needed by assuming an arbitrary 'efficiency' factor for the engine and transmission. Alternatively, you could find the efficiency by actually measuring the fuel used.
Alternatively, you can fit drawing pins to the accelerator and brake pedals and drive with bare feet. That could give you extremely good fuel economy. (The added advantage would be that you could annoy a large number of fellow road users.)
 
Chemical135 said:
So, I wanted to figure out how much energy is needed to drive my car ...

A car weighing 1000 kg, moving at 50km/h travels 10 miles. If the energy content of petrol is about 30 MJ/L, how much petrol do I need?

What's the answer?
Welcome to PF!

The best answers you will get are either from a practical test (presumably the car has an odometer and you've filled the tank with gas a few times..) or from the rating provided by the manufacturer.

And FYI, the fuel economy doesn't very directly depend on weight except for "city" driving. Aerodynamics is a bigger issue as is engine power capacity.
 
Chemical135 said:
A car weighing 1000 kg, moving at 50km/h travels 10 miles. If the energy content of petrol is about 30 MJ/L, how much petrol do I need?

It's impossible to answer this question with the given information. It depends on things like aerodynamic drag, rolling resistance in the tires and transmission, and the efficiency of the engine itself. All of these vary from one model of car to another, and even from one individual car to another depending on its condition and state of repair.
 

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