How Much Power Does a Cell Phone Emit During a Call?

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The discussion revolves around the transmission power emitted by cell phones during calls, specifically focusing on the output power levels and the feasibility of detecting these signals with a receiving antenna. Participants explore the technical aspects of signal detection, amplification, and the implications of distance from the cell tower.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the transmission power of a cell phone during a call is around 100 mW, depending on the distance from the tower, and questions if this has been verified.
  • Another participant states that a phone's output power can range from about 100 mW to 1 W based on its proximity to the cell site and mentions complications such as data exchange even when not on a call.
  • There is a discussion about the need for down-converting the bands used by the phone to a baseband for effective signal detection and amplification.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the necessary distance for effective detection and asks if three feet is sufficient for their setup.
  • Concerns are raised about other signals potentially overwhelming the phone's signal if the distance is significant, suggesting that amplification may not be viable without pre-selection.
  • One participant mentions that at three feet, the signal should exceed one milliwatt, allowing for the use of a diode detector.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the exact output power levels or the effectiveness of detection methods at varying distances. Multiple viewpoints on the technical requirements and challenges remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the need for specific conditions such as distance and signal interference, but these factors are not fully resolved or quantified. The conversation includes assumptions about signal strength and detection methods that may vary based on specific setups.

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Hey guys,

Does anyone know about how much transmission power is outputted from a cell phone call? I have read it's around 100 mW (depending on distance from the tower), anyone ever verified this?

I want to try and use the signal created by a phone call (to detect when a phone call is made), so I have a receiving antenna and I am guessing I would need to amplify the RF signal before continueing correct?

I am assuming that a signal with 100mW of output power would be very weak (uW or nW) by the time it reaches the end of my receiving antenna?

Thanks
 
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Yes, a phone will adjust its output power between about 100mW and 1W depending on the range to the cell site.

There are going to be some complications. Your cell phone may exchange data with the local cell site even when you are not making calls. Your cell phone may transmit on up to 4 different bands.

Unless the phone is very close, to monitor the activity you will need to use a mixer to down-convert the bands being used to a baseband, then amplify those signals with a receiver chip that generates the usual logarithmic “received signal strength indicator” signal (RSSI). You can then detect when the RSSI exceeds a specified DC threshold that you have set. That will tell you when a nearby phone is transmitting. If you want to avoid autonomous chirps triggering your detector you will need to use a time gate to wait for a minimum time with a continuous signal detected before triggering the output.

To specify signal levels we need to know the maximum distance between the cell phone of interest and your detector's antenna. What is that range?
 
Very interesting idea, thank you.

I wasn't planning on the detectors antenna being too far from the phone itself, a couple of feet maybe (3ft). Unless you think it can go farther?

For my own knowledge: why do you need to down convert the bands (lets assume I am only going to use the 1900 MHz band)?
 
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If the distance to the phone is significant then many other signals will exceed the phone signal in your detector's antenna. Amplification is obviously then not an option, without some form of pre-selection.

Down conversion is needed to use RSSI.

At three feet I would expect over a milliwatt so you should be able to use a diode detector like in an “RF sniffer” or a “bug detector”. Take a look at the more advanced examples here; http://dx.com/s/bug+detector
 

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