How much time for a pencil to drop

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for a pencil, initially standing upright, to fall flat on the ground after being given a slight push. The conversation explores theoretical considerations rather than practical applications or homework-related queries.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Newton's ideas to obtain a rough estimate of the falling time, indicating that mass attracts mass.
  • Another participant points out that the problem is more complex due to the pencil's significant Moment of Inertia, which complicates the calculation beyond a simple falling mass scenario.
  • A third participant provides a link to an external article that may offer insights into the question, suggesting that there are existing discussions on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the problem, with some acknowledging the need for a more nuanced approach due to the Moment of Inertia, while others suggest a simpler method may suffice. No consensus is reached on the best approach to calculate the time.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the initial conditions of the pencil's position or the nature of the push given. The dependence on definitions related to Moment of Inertia and the specifics of the falling motion are also not fully explored.

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i have a pencil standing upright. How do i calculate the time it will take pencil to fall flat on ground if given a slight push to off balance. This is not homework. just thinking about it.
 
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It's not that simple.
You could use Newton's idea to get a rough answer.
Things which have mass attract other things which have mass,
 
rootone said:
It's not that simple.
You could use Newton's idea to get a rough answer.
Things which have mass attract other things which have mass,
A pencil has a significant Moment of Inertia so it is more than a simple falling mass calculation.
 
 

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