How Much Torque Can a Stepped Shaft Withstand Before Shearing?

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The discussion centers around determining the maximum torque that a stepped shaft can withstand before shearing occurs. Participants explore the relevant equations and concepts related to shear stress, material properties, and the geometry of the shaft, with a focus on both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations for calculating maximum torque, including T=(τ*J)/r and τ=0.557*σ, but expresses uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant clarifies that τ should be based on shear yield stress rather than ultimate tensile strength and questions whether the original poster meant to find the torque at which the material yields in shear.
  • A third participant suggests using different coefficients for shear stress calculations and emphasizes the importance of defining terms like tensile ultimate strength and allowable shear stress correctly.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of stress concentration factors and whether they can be assumed to be 1.00 in this context.
  • One participant highlights a misunderstanding regarding allowable shear stress and shear ultimate strength, indicating that allowable shear stress should be less than shear yield strength.
  • Another participant confirms that they were looking for the torque leading to shearing, indicating a resolution to their query.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate coefficients and definitions related to shear stress and yield strength. While some clarify and refine earlier claims, no consensus is reached on the exact approach to calculating maximum torque before shearing.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions and assumptions used by participants, particularly regarding the distinction between shear yield strength and ultimate shear strength, as well as the implications of stress concentration factors.

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Hi there,

I'm trying to find a solution to a problem that I thought was straight forward, but am now struggling with.

I've got a shaft with a fixed end set up, where there is a small diameter fixed and then it steps up to a larger diameter which is having a torque applied to it.

I'm trying to find out the maximum torque that can be applied to the larger side before the material starts to shear.

The only things that i know about the shaft are the diameters and material type.

So far I've been using:

T=(τ*J)/r
and
τ=0.557*σ

Where:
T = maximum torque
τ = allowable shear stress
J = polar moment of inertia
r = radius
σ = ultimate tensile strength.

Can anybody help me out? I'm not sure if I've got the equations right or whether I'm going down the correct route.

Cheers
 
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acc0untnam3 said:
Hi there,

I'm trying to find a solution to a problem that I thought was straight forward, but am now struggling with.

I've got a shaft with a fixed end set up, where there is a small diameter fixed and then it steps up to a larger diameter which is having a torque applied to it.

I'm trying to find out the maximum torque that can be applied to the larger side before the material starts to shear.
Do you mean starts to yield in shear?
The only things that i know about the shaft are the diameters and material type.

So far I've been using:

T=(τ*J)/r
OK, within elastic range
and
τ=0.557*σ
this is a good approximation for the shear yield stress for steel...not always true for other materials...best to look it up...but note that σ is the tensile yield stress, not the ultimate stress.
Where:
T = maximum torqueat yield[/color]
τ = allowable shear stressat yield[/color]
J = polar moment of inertiaof smaller diameter shaft[/color]
r = radiusof smaller diameter shaft[/color]
σ = ultimate tensile strength.yield stress, not ultimate[/color]

Can anybody help me out? I'm not sure if I've got the equations right or whether I'm going down the correct route.

Cheers
The torque is constant throughout the shaft, so failure occurs in the smaller shaft, probably at the abrupt diameter change.
 
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acc0untnam3: I agree with PhanthomJay, except I probably would use 0.577, instead of 0.557. Also, I probably would define Stu = tensile ultimate strength, Sty = tensile yield strength, FSu = ultimate factor of safety, and FSy = yield factor of safety. Then define Ssa = allowable shear stress = min(0.60*Stu/FSu, 0.577*Sty/FSy). You want to ensure shear stress, tau2, does not exceed Ssa.

Nominal shear stress, tau1 = T*r/J, where r = radius of smaller-diameter shaft, as pointed out by PhanthomJay. And, tau2 = Kn*tau1, where Kn = stress concentration factor, from here[/color]. However, because you are using FSu and FSy, you might be able to use Kn = 1.00 (?).

Aside: The main problem in post 1 is, you said allowable shear stress (Ssa) is equal to shear ultimate strength (Ssu). That is incorrect. Allowable shear stress (Ssa) should be less than (not equal to) shear yield strength (Ssy), where Ssy = 0.577*Sty, and Ssu = 0.60*Stu.

You claimed in post 1 you want to "find the maximum torque that can be applied before the material starts to [rupture]." If this is truly what you want (and you do not want the allowable shear stress, for design), then you would set tau2 = Ssu, where tau2 = Kn*tau1, and Ssu = 0.60*Stu. This would tell you when the material starts to rupture. You, of course, would never use this for design.

Or, in post 1, did you mean you want to know when the material starts to yield in shear? If this is truly what you want (and you do not want the allowable shear stress, for design), then you would set tau2 = Ssy, where tau2 = Kn*tau1, and Ssy = 0.577*Sty. This would tell you when the material starts to yield. You, of course, would never use this for design.​
 
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Thanks for both of your answers - I was after the Torque that would lead to shearing of the material. Problem solved :)
 

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