How Much Water Escapes from a Pressurized Steel Vessel?

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The discussion revolves around two distinct physics problems. The first problem involves a pressurized steel vessel filled with water and the calculation of the volume of water that escapes when a safety plug bursts. The second problem concerns a long, thin rod pivoting at one end and determining its angular velocity and speed as it falls to the table.

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  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume change, and the bulk modulus in the context of the first problem, questioning the units used in calculations.
  • In the second problem, participants discuss the moment of inertia and energy conservation principles, with some attempting to relate potential energy to rotational kinetic energy.
  • There is confusion regarding the correct application of formulas and assumptions about the system's energy states.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering corrections and alternative approaches. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions, particularly regarding units and energy considerations. Some participants suggest using specific values for the bulk modulus and compressibility, while others are exploring the implications of the center of mass in energy calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the bulk modulus for water should be taken from the textbook, and there is a specific emphasis on the correct numerical values to avoid errors in the online system. The discussions reflect a mix of assumptions and interpretations that are still being examined.

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Homework Statement



A cylindrical steel pressure vessel with volume 1.31 m^3 is to be tested. The vessel is entirely filled with water, then a piston at one end of the cylinder is pushed in until the pressure inside the vessel has increased by 1000 kPa. Suddenly, a safety plug on the top bursts. How many liters of water come out?

Homework Equations



B=0.2x10^10N/m^2
P1=P0+(rho)gh
P1=-B((Delta V)/V)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am assuming that I have to look for delta V as that would be the water that comes out causing the change in volume.

Delta V=-V(Delta P)/B=-1.31(1000)/(0.2x10^10)
Delta V= 6.55*10^-7

But this is not the right answer. I am confused as to where I'm going wrong.
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A second problem

Homework Statement



A long, thin rod of mass M and length L is standing straight up on a table. Its lower end rotates on a frictionless pivot. A very slight push causes the rod to fall over.

a) As it hits the table, what is the angular velocity of the tip of the rod?
b) What is the speed of the tip of the rod?

Homework Equations


v = wr
a = v^2/r=(w^2)r
v= (2(pi)(r))/T

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having trouble picturing what the question is asking.

a) w = v/r = (2(pi)r)/T/r = 2pi/T...don't know where to go from here

b) I think after I find w in a i just use v = wr
 
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For 1) don't you have 1000 kPa and not 1000 Pa?
 
For 2) consider the moment of inertia of the bar. Consider too the energy in the system as it starts to fall. The total potential energy of the bar should be rotational kinetic energy when it's at the horizontal shouldn't it?
 
LowlyPion said:
For 1) don't you have 1000 kPa and not 1000 Pa?

Yeah its kpa, so in the formula I should use 1 000 000pa and I get 6.55*10^-4 m^3 which will be 0.655L...is that right?
 
2020vision said:
Yeah its kpa, so in the formula I should use 1 000 000pa and I get 6.55*10^-4 m^3 which will be 0.655L...is that right?

If your bulk modulus for water is good.

I might use 4.58 * 10-10 for compressibility k, where k = 1/B, which yields a slightly smaller result.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/compress.html#c1
 
LowlyPion said:
For 2) consider the moment of inertia of the bar. Consider too the energy in the system as it starts to fall. The total potential energy of the bar should be rotational kinetic energy when it's at the horizontal shouldn't it?

Ok I made potential energy = rotational energy

so i get:

Ug = Krot
MgL = 1/2 (1/3ML^2)w^2
GL = 1/6 (L^2)(w^2)
sqrt(6g/L) = w

so I put the answer as sqrt (6g/L) on the online system and its wrong, but I get this message:
"Your answer either contains an incorrect numerical multiplier or is missing one."

Where did I go wrong?
 
LowlyPion said:
If your bulk modulus for water is good.

I might use 4.58 * 10-10 for compressibility k, where k = 1/B, which yields a slightly smaller result.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/compress.html#c1

We are supposed to use the bulk modulus from our textbook, and that one is 0.2*10^10. Anything else would give a wrong answer in the system. So with this bulk modulus, is 0.655L right?
 
For 2) your potential energy will be the height of the center of mass won't it?
 
2020vision said:
We are supposed to use the bulk modulus from our textbook, and that one is 0.2*10^10. Anything else would give a wrong answer in the system. So with this bulk modulus, is 0.655L right?

That what it looks like to me then.
 
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LowlyPion said:
For 2) your potential energy will be the height of the center of mass won't it?

oh so it should be sqrt (3g/L) right?
 
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2020vision said:
oh so it should be sqrt (3g/L) right?

Yes.
 

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