Compute the Work: Pressure analogous to Volume

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The problem involves one mole of an ideal gas undergoing a process where both pressure and volume change from (Pi, Vi) to (3Pi, 3Vi). The original poster seeks to compute the work done during this process and to understand the correlation between temperature and volume, noting that pressure is described as being analogous to volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need for a function of pressure that incorporates volume, with some suggesting that the phrase "pressure is analogous to volume" implies a constant ratio between the two. There is also exploration of the integration process for calculating work.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between pressure and volume, suggesting a proportionality that could simplify the calculations. The original poster has expressed uncertainty about the integration due to the non-constant temperature, and there is ongoing clarification regarding the terminology used in the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential translation issues affecting the understanding of terms like "analogous" and "proportional." The discussion reflects a need to clarify definitions and assumptions related to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



One mole of an ideal gas is warmed slowly, so that the pressure and volume go from (Pi, Vi) to (3Pi, 3Vi), in such a way that the pressure is analogous to the volume.

a) What's the Work (W)?
b) What is the correlation between the temperature and the volume during that process?

Homework Equations



W = - ∫Vf ViPdV

The Attempt at a Solution



In this case, I don't have a stable pressure or volume, so I'm at the third case. So, I need a function of P that contains V. I know PV = nRT, and I know that n = 1 mole. Plus, R is a known quantity. Problem is, T is not a constant, so I can't integrate P = nRT/V.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Darthkostis said:
So, I need a function of P that contains V.
I think this statement
Darthkostis said:
the pressure is analogous to the volume.
means you are to take P and V as being in a constant ratio.
 
haruspex said:
I think this statement

means you are to take P and V as being in a constant ratio.

So kinda like this:

Pi/Vi = c = P/V

WW = - ∫Vf ViPdV = - ∫Vf VicVdV = - c ∫Vf ViVdV = -c[V2/2] |Vf Vi = -c * (9Vi2/2 - Vi2/2) = -4cVi2 = -4(Pi/Vi)*Vi2 = -4PiVi which is the book's answer.

As for (b):

PV = nRT <=> T = PV/nR = cV2/nR <=> T = (Pi/nrVi)*V2 which is the book's answer.

So technically I just use the "formula" that says that the pressure, divided by the volume, of any instance, is equal to the initial pressure, divided by the initial volume, since these two quantities are analogous, correct?
 
Darthkostis said:
So kinda like this:

Pi/Vi = c = P/V

WW = - ∫Vf ViPdV = - ∫Vf VicVdV = - c ∫Vf ViVdV = -c[V2/2] |Vf Vi = -c * (9Vi2/2 - Vi2/2) = -4cVi2 = -4(Pi/Vi)*Vi2 = -4PiVi which is the book's answer.

As for (b):

PV = nRT <=> T = PV/nR = cV2/nR <=> T = (Pi/nrVi)*V2 which is the book's answer.

So technically I just use the "formula" that says that the pressure, divided by the volume, of any instance, is equal to the initial pressure, divided by the initial volume, since these two quantities are analogous, correct?
Yes, but it it is a rather unusual use of the word "analogous". Proportional would have been clearer.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, but it it is a rather unusual use of the word "analogous". Proportional would have been clearer.

Okay, I'll keep that in mind for next time (translations sometimes have these problems). Thanks for the help!
 

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