Pressure of a fluid contained in a steel container

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The problem involves a steel container filled with gasoline, which is sealed and subjected to a temperature increase. Participants are tasked with determining the increase in pressure of the gasoline under two scenarios: considering the expansion of the container and ignoring it. The subject area includes fluid mechanics and thermodynamics, particularly focusing on bulk modulus and thermal expansion.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the expansion of the gasoline and the container, with some suggesting a two-step process for calculating pressure changes. There is exploration of how to apply the bulk modulus and thermal expansion concepts, with questions raised about the meaning of certain equations and variables.

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Several participants have shared their attempts and reasoning, with one providing a procedure for calculating the pressure increase. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and some participants validate each other's approaches. However, no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the final calculations or interpretations.

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Participants note the initial pressure assumption of one atmosphere and express uncertainty about the relevance of certain parameters, such as the bulk modulus of steel. There is also mention of the need to clarify whether absolute pressure or gauge pressure is being calculated.

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Homework Statement



A steel container is completely filled with gasoline, and then sealed. The temperature is then increased 11 degrees C. If the bulk modulus of gasoline is 1.90 \times {10^9}Pa, find the increase in pressure of the gasoline if:
(a) The expansion of the container is considered.
(b) The expansion of the container is ignored.
(For gasoline, \beta = 9.60 \times {10^{ - 4}}^ \circ {C^{ - 1}})

Homework Equations



\Delta V = {V_0}\beta \Delta T
p = \frac{F}{A} = - Y\alpha \Delta T

The Attempt at a Solution



The volume of the steel container will expand to a final volume:
{V_c} = {V_0}(1 + {\beta _{(steel)}}\Delta T)
Similarly, the volume of the gas expands:
{V_c} = {V_0}(1 + {\beta _{(gasoline)}}\Delta T)

Because we filled the container up to the brim before sealing it, we can assume the initial volumes are equal and that the initial pressure is one atmosphere (how relevant the latter point is I'm not sure). The initial volume isn't given, but I can relate the two ratios:

\frac{{\Delta {V_s}}}{{{\beta _s}}} = \frac{{\Delta {V_g}}}{{{\beta _g}}}

Presumably, the liquid gasoline expands more than the steel canister. I know that pressure = force / area and I know that p = \frac{F}{A} = - Y\alpha \Delta T, but I'm not entirely sure how to apply that latter equation to what I know.
 
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The easiest approach is to treat this as a two-step process. For the case where the container expansion is ignored, first calculate the new volume of the gasoline as if it were completely free to expand (thermal expansion). Then calculate the pressure increase that would be required to squeeze the gasoline back into the container (bulk modulus).

Chet
 
I think my *biggest* problem is that I can't seem to find an expression for the pressure increase required to compress the gasoline back into the container. Obviously this isn't an ideal gas, so I can't use the Ideal Gas Law. I'm not really sure at all what the -Y\alpha \Delta T is trying to say. I just found an expression for the bulk modulus:
B = \frac{{\Delta P}}{{\frac{{\Delta V}}{V}}} = \frac{{\Delta P \cdot V}}{{\Delta V}}
...and I'm trying to proceed from there.
 
squelch said:
I think my *biggest* problem is that I can't seem to find an expression for the pressure increase required to compress the gasoline back into the container. Obviously this isn't an ideal gas, so I can't use the Ideal Gas Law. I'm not really sure at all what the -Y\alpha \Delta T is trying to say. I just found an expression for the bulk modulus:
B = \frac{{\Delta P}}{{\frac{{\Delta V}}{V}}} = \frac{{\Delta P \cdot V}}{{\Delta V}}
...and I'm trying to proceed from there.
I don't know what the Y in your equation stands for, but I'm guessing it is related to the ratio of the coefficient of thermal expansion to the bulk modulus. As far as your approach that you are trying to proceed with, this is the correct way to go.

Chet
 
So I found a procedure and tried to implement it this way:

\begin{array}{l}<br /> \Delta {V_{(container)}} = \Delta {V_{(therm.expan.)}} - \Delta {V_{(stress)}}\\ ⇒<br /> {V_0}{\beta _{(steel)}}\Delta T = {V_0}{\beta _{gasoline}} - \frac{{\Delta P \cdot {V_0}}}{{{B_{gasoline}}}}\\ ⇒<br /> ({\beta _{gasoline}} - {\beta _{steel}})\Delta T{B_{gasoline}} = \Delta P<br /> \end{array}

Plugging in the known constants, and taking the bulk modulus of steel to be 3.6 \times {10^{ - 5}}^o{C^{ - 1}} I get an answer of 1.756 \times {10^7}Pa for the first portion. Does this seem sensible?
 
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squelch said:
So I found a procedure and tried to implement it this way:

\begin{array}{l}<br /> \Delta {V_{(container)}} = \Delta {V_{(therm.expan.)}} - \Delta {V_{(stress)}}\\ ⇒<br /> {V_0}{\beta _{(steel)}}\Delta T = {V_0}{\beta _{gasoline}} - \frac{{\Delta P \cdot {V_0}}}{{{B_{gasoline}}}}\\ ⇒<br /> ({\beta _{gasoline}} - {\beta _{steel}})\Delta T{B_{gasoline}} = \Delta P<br /> \end{array}

Plugging in the known constants, and taking the bulk modulus of steel to be 3.6 \times {10^{ - 5}}^o{C^{ - 1}} I get an answer of 1.756 \times {10^7}Pa for the first portion. Does this seem sensible?
Thats what i also had in mind. b) is the same procedure, with just taking ##\Delta V_{container}=0##
 
Yup, that's the process I'm applying to the latter half. Thanks for the validation.
 
As a last point, I'm actually finding \Delta P, so is it accurate to say I need to add 1 ATM to the pressure?

edit: Upon rereading the question it's clear that this is the pressure reading they want, but I suppose it's worth knowing that the absolute pressure is \Delta P + 1 atm
 
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