How Much Would Each Half of a Cut Spring Stretch Under the Same Load?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a uniform bar supported by a Hooke's law spring, which is cut in half. The original spring stretches by 4.0 cm, and the question is how much each half will stretch under the same load.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the spring constant of the original spring and the half-springs, questioning whether it becomes harder or easier to stretch when cut.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted calculations based on the problem setup, while others suggest alternative algebraic approaches. There is recognition of the assumption made regarding the mass of the bar, but it is noted that this does not affect the outcome. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption about the mass of the bar, which was not provided in the problem statement. Participants are also navigating through the implications of cutting the spring and how that affects the overall spring constant.

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Homework Statement


A uniform bar of an iron is supported by a long, uniform hooke's law spring. The spring is cut in half and two pieces are used to support the same bar. If the whole spring stretched by 4.0cm, by how much would each half strech?

Homework Equations


f=Kchange in X


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Hint: How does the spring constant of each half-spring compare to the original spring constant? (Does it get harder or easier to stretch?)
 
it become harder to stretch...
 
I tried solving it and dats what i got:

Fnet= ma
Fs + fg = 0
KX - mg = 0
k = (mg)/ X
(10kg x 9.8m/s) / 0.04
= 2450

first spring = (2450 x 2)
= 4 900
Fa = (k1 + k2)
X= (mg/ k1 + k2)
(10kg x 9.8) / ( 4 900 N/m+4 900N/m)
0.01m= X
 
please let me know if i did it the right way or not...Thank You so Much!
 
Aqua Marine said:
I tried solving it and dats what i got:

Fnet= ma
Fs + fg = 0
KX - mg = 0
k = (mg)/ X
(10kg x 9.8m/s) / 0.04
= 2450

first spring = (2450 x 2)
= 4 900
Fa = (k1 + k2)
X= (mg/ k1 + k2)
(10kg x 9.8) / ( 4 900 N/m+4 900N/m)
0.01m= X
Looks good to me! You assumed a mass of 10 Kg for the iron bar (which was not given); but since the answer does not depend on the mass, that's an OK strategy.

But realize you can also solve this algebraically without assuming values:

For the whole spring:
W = KX (where W is the weight of the bar and X = 4 cm)

So K = W/X

For the half-springs:
k = 2K = 2W/X

Since each spring supports half the weight:
W/2 = kx = (2W/X)x

So x = X/4 = 1 cm
 

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