How reliable are university rankings?

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The discussion revolves around the importance of university rankings and institutional prestige in relation to employability, particularly for graduates seeking jobs in the STEM fields. Participants explore how hiring committees perceive candidates based on their educational backgrounds and the implications of attending prestigious universities versus lesser-known institutions.

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  • Some participants suggest that institutional prestige is more significant early in a career and for specific job types, such as teaching or consulting roles.
  • Others argue that while prestige matters, other factors like GPA and work experience also play crucial roles in hiring decisions.
  • A participant questions the reliability of university ranking websites like QS and Times Higher Education, seeking clarity on how these rankings influence hiring practices.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges faced by international applicants, particularly regarding work authorization in the US and how that affects their employability.
  • Some participants mention that having a degree from a top university can significantly enhance the chances of getting interviews compared to degrees from lower-tier institutions.
  • There is a discussion about the need for international applicants to stand out in a competitive job market, with suggestions that building a strong reputation through publications and presentations may be beneficial.
  • One participant shares anecdotal evidence of a friend successfully working in the US after graduating in Europe, questioning the perceived risks associated with hiring foreign graduates.

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Participants express a range of views on the significance of university rankings and prestige, with no clear consensus on how much they impact employability. There are competing perspectives on the importance of various factors in hiring decisions, particularly for international candidates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of immigration and employment processes for international graduates, emphasizing that hiring committees may prioritize applicants with work authorization. There are also mentions of the financial and time constraints associated with research opportunities in different educational systems.

  • #91
Grands said:
Do you want to say that person that obtain a degree from the top universities could be less prepared for a job and do a worst 5-years of carrier then who graduate from a not very known university?
What you quoted from Eric is more about what happens a few years into your career.

Eric Bretschneider said:
Does it help - yes, is it a guarantee - no.
Right after you graduate, you probably don't have a record of accomplishments other than your degree, so all a prospective employer has to go on is your grade point average (GPA) and supporting references and letters of recommendation.
Five years after graduation, where you graduated and your grades are less important than what you have accomplished -- that's what he is saying.
 
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  • #92
Exactly.

BTW: During that interview your ability to communicate will help to make you stand out. Another point: I hate interviews with candidates have no questions. Yes I will have a lot of questions I want answers to, but an interview is a two-way street. If the candidate doesn't care to do any research on my company and has no questions then they have demonstrated a lack of initiative.
 
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Mark44 said:
Right after you graduate, you probably don't have a record of accomplishments other than your degree, so all a prospective employer has to go on is your grade point average (GPA) and supporting references and letters of recommendation.
Five years after graduation, where you graduated and your grades are less important than what you have accomplished -- that's what he is saying.
With one important exception. Should you need to change career paths substantially (say from physics R&D or EE design to patent law, technical journalism, or venture capital for high-tech start-ups, a pedigree from a brand-name school such as MIT, Harvard, Oxford, or Cambridge will still help open doors, 5, 10, 20 years down the road. That's because you don't have an established track record in the new field, and supporting peripheral factors come back into play (details of GPAs and transcripts won't come into play far into the future, though).
 

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