How Should Frequency X and Y Be Described in SCENAR Therapy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the description of frequencies X and Y in the context of SCENAR therapy, specifically how these frequencies relate to the impulses generated by the SCENAR device. Participants explore the mathematical representation of these impulses and their characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Phil, a SCENAR therapist, seeks clarification on how to mathematically describe the resultant frequency in terms of X and Y, which represent time and voltage in his oscilloscope readings.
  • SCENAR Australia suggests that Phil post his question on the RITM OKB's forum, indicating that they are the patent holders and manufacturers of SCENAR devices.
  • Phil expresses a desire for a scientific perspective independent of SCENAR, emphasizing the need for an equation to describe the impulse behavior.
  • Another participant describes the impulse function as a decaying sine wave, proposing a mathematical representation involving amplitude, frequency, and decay time, but expresses uncertainty about describing the quickly repeated next impulse.
  • Phil later clarifies that both X and Y represent time in milliseconds, indicating a potential misunderstanding in their initial usage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to describe the frequencies or the impulse behavior, and multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the mathematical representation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms used, the assumptions underlying the mathematical models proposed, and the lack of clarity on the specific characteristics of the impulses generated by the SCENAR device.

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Hello

I am a SCENAR therapist, and I am looking for clarification on something which has confused me for a while. The SCENAR device stimulates the body to heal itself, by transmitting short impulses (measured in microseconds), which replicate neuro-impulses, the property of the impulse is such that it is able to penetrate the C-fibres in the skin, one impulse is as follows (I have connected it to my oscilloscope):

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The following shows a number of regular impulses on a set frequency 1/Y (ignore the C and D)

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A setting on the device allows another impulse to come almost immediately after the first (represented by time X). This is called "intensity", when Int=2, it shows on the oscilloscope as follows.

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I would like to know how to describe this resultant frequency in terms of X and Y

Thanks for you help, regards Phil
 
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Dear Phil,

You'd better post your question on the RITM OKB's forum as they are the patent holders and the manufacturer of the original scenar devices.

Here is the link for their forum http://www.scenar.com.ru/eng/index.php

Best wishes
SCENAR Australia
 
Thanks, I was going to go there next, although they aren't very active. I wanted an opinion from a scientist, who had nothing to do with scenar.

It seems a simple request, all I want is an equation, surely there must be other scientific equipment where impulses can behave in a similar manner, if so it must be describable using maths.

Regards Phil
 
Hi Phil,

X (horisontal axis) is time in ms and Y (vertical axis) is Voltage, V

Regards
SCENAR Australia
 
I should not have used X and Y, any other algebraic characters would suffice.

In my images they are both time in ms
 
The "impulse" function (not really an impulse ie. dirac delta) can be described by a decaying sine wave. That is a sine wave that quickly dies off and repeats at frequency F.
Where

[tex]\omega[/tex] =[tex]2\pi[/tex] F

Basically:
[tex]Asin\omega[/tex]*e[tex]^{-t/\tau}[/tex]

where A is the maximum amplitude of the voltage, [tex]\omega[/tex] is basically the frequency of the sine wave, and the e[tex]^{-t/\tau}[/tex] defines how fast the sine term decays.

I'm not exactly sure how you would describe the quickly repeated next impulse. Maybe an envelope function similar to an AM radio wave?

Just some thoughts I'm sure someone else can help a bit more.
 

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