How smoke travals at 70mph or dose it?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of smoke inside a moving car, specifically addressing how smoke can appear to travel at the same speed as the car (70 mph) when blown out by a passenger. Participants explore the dynamics of smoke movement in relation to the car's motion and the surrounding air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how smoke can keep pace with a car moving at 70 mph when it is not directly influenced by the car's motion.
  • Another participant references Newton's first law, suggesting that the smoke, being in the same air as the car, would also move with it unless acted upon by another force.
  • A participant raises a scenario where smoke is initially floating freely inside and outside the car, questioning why smoke inside moves with the car while outside does not.
  • One response explains that the air and smoke inside the car move together as the car accelerates, and for the smoke to remain stationary relative to the ground, it would need to displace all the air in the cabin.
  • Another participant emphasizes that air inside the car does not rush to the back during acceleration, as this would create a vacuum effect at the front.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the pressure differential inside the car during acceleration, which affects the movement of air and smoke.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact mechanics of smoke movement in relation to the car's motion. Multiple perspectives and explanations are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Some assumptions about air pressure dynamics and the behavior of smoke relative to air movement are discussed, but these remain unresolved and depend on further clarification of the underlying physics.

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how smoke travals at 70mph or dose it?

i have a ? that has been nagging at the back of my head for some time something i noticed for example a car traveling 70mph down a interstate all windows rolled up the passenger is smokeing he blows the smoke out of his mouth and the smoke floats freely inside the car nothing is forceing it to move its in no contact with the car yet it is keeping up with a car moveing at 70 mph how can this be i can be in room smokeing blow smoke out walk away it dose not keep up because nothing is forceing it to move I am sitting in a car i hit the gas i feel my self go back in the seat the car is makeing me move but nothing is makeing the smoke move 70mph
 
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The car is already moving at 70mph, so there would need to be something forcing the smoke to stop. That's Newton's first law.

You said you feel the car accelerate - well the smoke filled air does too!
 


i guess what I am trying to ask is let's say the car is stopped smoke is floating freely imside amd out side of the car i pull of the smoke out side stays and the smoke inside moves with me how can this be the car is makeing it self move and me but not the smoke
 


the car is filled with air and smoke, and the air and smoke move with the car as it pulls off.
for the smoke to stay put as you pulled off (ref. to the ground outside), and effectively move towards the rear of the car it would have to displace all the air in the cabin which is causing an obstruction between itself and the back of the car.

are you comfortable that the air inside the car moves with the car?
there would be some movement of the air, but it wouldn't *all* suddenly get pressed against the back windscreen, because that would cause a vacuum towards the front of the car (which would 'pull' the air forwards)
If you want it explained mathematically then somebody else will have to help you there, but a lot of this is down to air pressure I believe
 


Think of the smoke as an opaque form of air- all the air in a car doesn't suddenly rush to the back when you accelerate creating a vacuum in the front seat.
 


During acceleration, there's a net forwards force exerted on the air by the interior of the car. The pressure at the front of the interior is slightly less than the pressure at the rear of the interior. The net pressure differential times the effective area represents a force that in this case will be equal to the mass of the air times the rate of acceleration of that air.
 

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