How to begin this limit problem

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the product of two sequences, specifically lim n--> infinity a_n{b}_n=AB, using the definition of a limit. The problem is situated within the context of real analysis and limit proofs.

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  • Participants explore the use of the limit definition and the manipulation of absolute values in the context of sequences. There are attempts to break down the proof into manageable parts, with some questioning the necessity of showing boundedness of the sequences involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the proof structure. Some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of terms in the limit definition, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of boundedness and the choice of constants in the proof.

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Participants are considering the implications of specific values and bounds in their proofs, with references to epsilon and fixed numbers. There is a focus on ensuring that terms can be made arbitrarily small, which is central to the limit definition.

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Homework Statement



Prove that lim n--> infinity [tex]a_n{b}_n[/tex]=AB from the definition of a limit.



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I'm not sure how to begin this other than using the identity given that the absolute value of a function minus its L is less than some value e. I'm thinking that e would eventually have to split into halves and then added to e. Other than that, my attempts at trying to prove it (or understand it) haven't really lead me anywhere
 
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That sounds like a pretty good way! You will want to use the fact that
[tex]|a_nb_n- AB|= |a_nb_n- a_nB+ a_nB- AB|\le |a_n||b_n-B|+ |B||a_n-B|[/tex]
That first term is a little tricky!
 
Thanks for the help HallsofIvy,

I understand what you did there but I'm still curious if I also need to do another step in the proof where I have to show that its bounded? a_subn is less than some value epsilon plus [tex]\left|A\right|[/tex]. I'm thinking that its limit should be between [tex]\left|A\right|[/tex]+e and [tex]\left|A\right|[/tex]. If that's true then b_subn should also have that condition...Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
Yes, that was my point in "That first term is a little tricky!"

To show that sum is "[itex]< \epsilon[/itex]" you want to be able to make each part less than [itex]\epsilon/2[/itex]". Since |B| is a fixed number, you just need to make [itex]|a_n- A|< \epsilon/2|B|[/itex]. Since [itex]|a_n[/itex] depends on n, you cannot just make [itex]|b_n-B|< \epsilon/2a_n[/itex]. Do just as you say: use the fact that [itex]{a_n}[/itex] is bounded: for large enough n, [itex]A-1< a_n< A+ 1[/itex].
 
Where did you get the 1 from? Sorry I'm not understanding that part

From your answer, the absolute value of b_subn - B must then be less than e/2([tex]\left|A\right|[/tex]+1)
 
I used "1" because it is easy! Any specific number would do. Since [itex]a_n[/itex] goes to A, given any [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex], for "large enough n" (i.e, there exist N such that if n> N...) [itex]|a_n- A|< \epsilon[/itex]. Just take [itex]\epsilon= 1[/itex] and that [itex]|a_n- A|< 1[/itex] so [itex]-1< a_n-A< 1[/itex] or [itex]A-1< a_n< A+1[/itex]. Since both of those are less than or equal to |A|+ 1, you no know that for n> N, [itex]|a_n|< A+1[/itex].
 
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From your answer, the absolute value of b_subn - B must then be less than e/2([tex]\left|A\right|[/tex]+1)

Yep, that's fine. Getting something precisely less than epsilon is a complete red herring. You just need to make it arbtirarily small.

If, given any e>0 I can make something less than 3e or e^2, or e(1 + 1/(|A|+1))/2 for some fixed number A, then I've done the job.
 

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